Detecting and sifting with Ahab8 - 1812 Pewters, Relics, and a crusty LC

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This was hands down the best weekend I ever had detecting, and it had little to do with the finds. I was able to combine a few of my favorite things, hiking, paddling, detecting and hanging out with a good buddy. Somehow the moons aligned between Ahab8's (Abe) and my schedules, so I piggybacked a work trip to CT with a weekend in Maine. I threw together one of my graphite anode electrolysis tanks for Abe and loaded up my car... 10 hours later I was in Abe's driveway. There is a reason Abe finds the incredible stuff he does and it's because he is amazing at all aspects of this hobby, from research, to reading the terrain and locating sites, and using his machine to work the iron. Many times he said we arrived at a site and I see nothing, turn on the machine and there's iron in the middle of no where. I learned a TON from him this weekend about what to look for. I thought the places I went and amount of work I put into recovering stuff was pretty intense, but Abe takes it to a whole new level. Abe's appreciation of the history of his area and the stuff he finds is inspiring and an asset to our hobby. One of my favorite things is to hit a site that has been pounded in the past and dig the horrible signals. Its a lot of work, but its so much more rewarding to unmask a non-ferrous target. With the exception of one spot, the rest had been hit pretty hard.

Check out Abe's Post: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/t...1653-copper-war-1812-buttons-shoe-buckle.html

The group shot of my weekend hunt with Abe

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Hunt 1: I don't have hot rocks back home where I hunt... I get the occasional piece of coke, but no hot rocks. So I wasn't used to them and the Deus enjoyed them in Maine. After wasting some time on some hot rocks, I came out of the gates with a sweet cufflink! Its been a cufflink year for me, so I was thrilled to see another one turn up. A few musket balls and buttons later we move on and my finds quiet down. We get to a site that Abe has been trying to locate and thinks he finally found it. I turn on my machine and instantly find an 1870 IHP, as I'm explaining to Abe that this might be a more modern site he pulls out an incredible rat tail spoon, followed by a complete pair of cufflinks, an incredible pewter shoe buckle frame.... and then a complete shoe buckle. While I couldn't get my coil over anything good at this site (I zigged when I should have zagged) this was my favorite part of the weekend. Seeing that stuff come out of the dirt is just awesome. Sun was going down so we started home, but stopped by one more site on the way. I pulled a sweet hoe blade and Abe found an INSANE copper (check out his post). We each dug a fragment to the same shoe buckle and Abe remembered he had another piece at home. When we get there, he grabs it and all three pieces completed the frame. So I left that buckle fragment, and a tombac button from his ancestors property rightfully with Abe!

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Hunt 2: We head to a site with War of 1812 history to sift a pit that Abe thinks he found there. He's pulled some incredible buttons from here that you can see in some of his past posts. My oldest military button's are Civil War and I desperately wanted an 1812 button. We get there and I start digging some test pits and quickly verify he has indeed located a very large pit area. I start emptying a section out and pick a flat button, melted lead, brass tack and various other bits from between the iron. Abe comes and joins me and he locates a nice mid tone, which turned out to be a pewter. We got another broken pewter from the pit and decide to take a break from the pit and detect. This place is hammered! After 30 min and a bunch of .22 shell casing (everywhere) I get a whisper and pull out a small brass cuff button. I decided to dig everything in that area and see what happened.... what happened was unbelievable. My next "target" was more of a click or blip on the Deus and one I would not dig unless in a special area. I cut a plug, flip it over and its a SLAMMING mid tone in the bottom of the plug. brush off some dirt and there is a pewter "10" staring at me. Beyond excited I call Abe over to see it. Two minutes later I have a similar signal, flip the plug, same deal.... there is a pewter "5" staring at me. A couple more minutes later a "US" pewter comes out feet away. I insistent that Abe come and join me in this 20x20 foot section. We spend the rest of the day working this area and digging everything. Pewters and brass buttons are turning up all over the place. Abe.... that was awesome man! That was a total blast working that area with you buddy :headbang:

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The group shot of the 1812 Pewters I dug in that small section.

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Abe literally rolled out his red carpet, the t-net famous backdrop for all his finds and he took these incredible photos of the buttons. These buttons look better in the photos than they do in person :laughing7:

1808-11 4th Regt. U.S. Infantry - Cuff Button

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Each of these said "United States" around the border. Together, you can see how the lettering was laid out.

1798-1802 10th Regt. U.S. Infantry AND 1798-1802 5th Regt. U.S. Infantry (All cuff buttons)

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1808-30 U.S. Army General Service - Cuff Buttons

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And the rolled up pewter taco... every pewter from this location has been a marked military, so if I can figure out how to unroll this safely, perhaps there is something salvageable on the inside.

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Hunt 3: This was a quick one and we only lasted for a couple hours. After Hunt 1 and Hunt 2 we were physically exhausted and had no gas in the tank. My favorite from this group is the lead fishing weight.

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Thank you once again Abe! You're going to kill it in that pit and I cant wait to see what you dig up out there. That iron turned out incredible and that was the nicest ax I've seen come out of a tank. When you wear those anodes down, let me know and I'll whip up a new set for you and send them off.
 

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After a write up like yours, what's left to comment on?! Those 1812 buttons are absolutely amazing, and you guys sound like you had a ball. You both really love history and it shows in every post. I can't wait to be a part of the action come this fall...

I hope you put those dang buttons all in a single display. They look great together.

Amazing finds brother!

It was awesome dude and almost every nail is a rose head up there. My original plan was to put them in a wall hanging box as a "Maine Trip" display... but that just doesn't seem appropriate for this stuff. So I might have to come up with another option to really show off this stuff. The buttons only look good if you get the light just right, so I want them to be displayed in a way that casts the light on them so I can enjoy looking at them.

Was waiting for your side of the epic Abe join hunt. For a guy with nothing earlier than the civil war you're on your certainly on your way with an early military pewter collection. Congrats on an epic haul Brad

Thanks Jon! Rev War has always seemed unobtainable in my mind, but 1812 seemed possible. I'm satisfied never digging another early military button again.... except maybe one of those flat brass ones with the cannon and the eagle on it... I think those are the coolest looking US buttons ever made.

You guys sure had a blast! I'm really liking the 1812 buttons. Congrats on a fantastic weekend.

Thanks Mike, it was a ton of fun and Abe is an awesome friend. I'm forever grateful for that experience.

Those don't look like the finds of a "weekend hunt". They look more like a "Summer's worth of finds"!! :notworthy:

I'm ready to retire to a wheelchair just from looking at all the stuff! :laughing7:

Thank you KCM! We beat up on some beat up places and squeezed out some keepers for sure. I could count the good signals from the weekends hunts on one hand.

Great finds... the Adze is stellar.
Well done.

Thanks AARC! After work in CT all week, I'm looking forward to getting it in my electrolysis tank over the weekend. If this thread is still active, I'll post a picture after electrolysis.

A great hunt is right. ,one of my favorite things about this hobby ,obsession , habit, lol is to get together hunters and
Do an all day hunt. , you guys killed it variety ,totals , relics. Great research Ahab !! Hh gl.

Thanks man! I don't hunt with a partner too often and I think that's why I had so much fun. I got more excited to see what Abe dug up than what I was digging... with two people it doubles the excitement and doubles the finds.

Excellent post!!! Glad you got to dig with Abe. What a treat. Two great legends on this website detecting together was awesome to read. Reading the write-up was really fun!! Love the pictures as well. You do a phenominal job of restoration and writing and is always entertaining and informative to read these. Can't wait for Saturday. ;)

Thanks man! It really was a treat. When I got down to my hotel in CT I realized I had nothing to put the stuff on to take pictures. The hotel furniture was too shiny and had a glare, so I pulled out a blue t-shirt from my suitcase to lay stuff on. haha They turned out pretty good and no one would know I washed mud off a colonial hoe blade in the bathroom sink... I'm not allowed to even do that at home. :laughing7:

Very productive hunt...looks like a blast!

Thanks Romeo-1! It was really awesome all around.
 

I'm not allowed to put stuff in my sink at home either. I usually have to wash it off outside. ��
 

This is a fantastic post my friend. I was so tired that I was falling asleep in the middle of mine. This weekend was really incredible! Great hunting, great food and above all a great friend to enjoy it all with. I am so impressed with your abilities in the iron. If not for you we never would ha e hit that pewter rich area. That's all it is sometimes....the difference between amazing and ok. You squeaked that cuff button out then hunkered down and dug everything. I'm beyond thrilled that you got some great marked pewters to take home....not sure you had to take like 8 of them....maybe 4 would have been plenty lol.
I can't thank you enough for the electrolysis tank and schooling me on the use of it and the hot wax. One more addiction for me. I also can't thank you enough for the 40 lbs of sushi you bought. This weekend blew away all expectations and we will do it again sometime for sure. Can't wait to see that 1812 display

Can't wait to see you work that stuff through electrolysis man. We really lucked out on the Pewter Patch and it made it a very memorable hunt, otherwise it would have just been a killer day outdoors... both equally awesome. My expectation going in was just to hang out with a good friend and I was blown away as well.... I got to see you in action digging buckles and hold the oldest copper I've ever seen. I gotta think about this display some more, but I'll probably build a small custom display or something. Thanks for everything dude!

A great weekend! I think the pewters are great, and some really are not in that bad of condition. It sort of makes me want to wish the Summer away to get into detecting season... but considering it's so short here I'm not going to do it! :)

Every find you saved from him getting helps me save a dollar and maybe makes me another. :)

haha... You're welcome IP! Thanks a ton man... I was bummed to see the 10 and 5 being so broken up, but we packed them in dirt and got them in elmers right away. I didn't even remove all the dirt off the back of the 10 button because I was scared it would just fall apart. But the other pewters were in amazing condition and I couldn't be happier... my first really old military buttons.
 

Congrats on a killer hunt. That one pewter with the "4" on it is just awesome! WOW.

Glad that you guys were able to get out and score the goods!
 

Fantastic weekend for you and Abe-glad to see two great Tnetters meet up and enjoy the experience of hitting homerun after homerun. Building him an electrolysis tank was a class move on your part Brad-I'm sure that he's hooked on the electrolysis experience like you and I are. Great job-and congratulations on the 1812 buttons!

Thanks a ton Glenn! He has piles of iron with a lot of amazing pieces. It was hard to pick just a few to process for the short time I was there. I think when Abe saw the oxidation fall off the ax head and the black iron underneath it, he was instantly addicted... its hard not to be. haha I look forward to seeing him process some more and post the results.

That's a great handful of pewter. Most are lucky to get one, maybe two in a hunt...or in a year.

Thanks Rick! I was pretty lucky and I am positive there are many more left in that little area. Getting the coil just right was the secret to it all and we swung over every inch of it many times and were still pulling stuff.

Another great post Brad! I love hearing the whole story with all the details as just posting the finds leaves a lot to be desired. And nice going on pulling all those pewters out of the iron. Your perseverance really paid off. That interesting hoe caught my eye as well. Don't see ones with a rounded edge like that too often. I'd date it late 1700s or thereabouts, and it may have been a turnip hoe. Can you see a maker's mark on it? It would be on the spine either at the top near the neck, or at the bottom near or on the pointed end. Congrats on an outstanding weekend, and glad you and Abe finally hooked up and hit it off so well. Later buddy ....

Thanks a ton Bill. I knew you would like that piece of iron man! As soon as I pulled it from the hole I thought 'what will Bill say about this one'. I can't wait to clean it up and it would be awesome if it had some makers marks on it. I'll inspect it when I get back to the hotel and I'll keep you posted. A lot of the pewters sounded like nails and I'm not totally convinced I wasnt digging the nails and finding the pewters by mistake :laughing7: But yeah, many were masked or mixed grunts and tones and very faint.

Great stuff congrats

Thanks a ton art!

That was a blast of a weekend. You guys killed it.
After reading your individual posts, , I had to take a nap.
Excellent write up and fabulous finds.

Thanks a bunch Against the Wind! It really couldn't have been a better weekend. I needed to take a nap after writing all that. haha
 

Excellent post Brad-love the pewters as well. Will now go check out Abe's post!
Congrats again.
 

The array of early pewter military buttons in incredible. You definitely hit it out of the park with some once in a life time finds. Sounds like a great adventure, good company and some killer relics. Thanks for the updates during the trip, always nice to live vicariously through another relic hunter. Really nice post and finds.
 

I was deliriously tired when I wrote this post and this morning I realized I left out an important detail about the ticks at the 1812 site. It a little embarrassing, but you all can relate for sure... so after 30 min at the site, Abe comes up to me and pulls 3 ticks off my shirt. I loaded up with bug spray and kept checking myself all day... no more ticks. Weird, if there was 3, there has to be many more... We get back from hunting late, I shower at the hotel and meet Abe for dinner, go back and crash hard. Wake up at 3:30 am to meet up with Abe for a few hours before I get on the road and head south. Get out of bed and feel something running across my back. Tick! Check myself again and there is another one stuck on my a$$. So I gave two ticks a nice shower, then took them out for a nice sushi meal, then slept with them.

I probably got tick borne blood disease, but those buttons were totally worth it!

I've got one confirmed tick borne disease. It's one reason I never hunt in the summer. I coat my clothes in permethrin every few weeks in the winter and spring and the only times I find ticks on me is when I don't wear the treated clothing. I've had outings in the past where my wife has picked over a dozen ticks off of me. It's the little baby *******s that you don't find until they swell up like a grape!
 

The array of early pewter military buttons in incredible. You definitely hit it out of the park with some once in a life time finds. Sounds like a great adventure, good company and some killer relics. Thanks for the updates during the trip, always nice to live vicariously through another relic hunter. Really nice post and finds.

Thanks a ton man! I really appreciate the updates from your incredible sifting trip too.
 

Congrats on a killer hunt. That one pewter with the "4" on it is just awesome! WOW.

Glad that you guys were able to get out and score the goods!

Thanks Tom... its easily my new favorite button ever. I took another picture of it just now and made it my profile picture on here. When you don't shine a light on it just right, it looks like a plain button, but it comes alive with a little light.

Excellent post Brad-love the pewters as well. Will now go check out Abe's post!
Congrats again.

Thanks a ton Russ! I wasnt a big pewter fan before this past weekend. ha I have only dug civilian pewters in the past, but now seeing these military ones, I will be very excited to see any pewter show up now.

I've got one confirmed tick borne disease. It's one reason I never hunt in the summer. I coat my clothes in permethrin every few weeks in the winter and spring and the only times I find ticks on me is when I don't wear the treated clothing. I've had outings in the past where my wife has picked over a dozen ticks off of me. It's the little baby *******s that you don't find until they swell up like a grape!

Oh man, that sucks. These guys were the bigger ones, so they were easy to spot... hopefully no tiny ones were out there. I used to have a issue with them back home all the time, but the last two years I haven't seen a single one. Maine was a different story though. I always load up with bug spray, but ill check out that permethrin stuff.
 

When I did my initial post, I actually didn't know what each of these buttons were. Abe has pointed me in the right direction now, so I wanted to update this with the actual names of the buttons. It's amazing to me how old these are and how much history they have.... they could have even been worn by the son of an American Revolutionary War veteran!

1808-11 4th Regt. U.S. Infantry - Cuff Button

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1798-1802 10th Regt. U.S. Infantry AND
1798-1802 5th Regt. U.S. Infantry (All cuff buttons)

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1808-30 U.S. Army General Service - Cuff Buttons

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Awesome post, sounds like it was a great time and ya'll pulled some cool relics. I'm thinking I need to build a sifter, "just in case". I am such an amateur when it comes to relics.
 

Brad I keep coming back to check out those buttons. I'm real impressed by the assortment and the job you did preserving and photographing them. If you didn't already have a banner I would nominate these for L banner.
 


Thank you Casper!

Awesome post, sounds like it was a great time and ya'll pulled some cool relics. I'm thinking I need to build a sifter, "just in case". I am such an amateur when it comes to relics.

Thanks Loco! Once we got in the hot spot, sifting kinda ended. Ha. But we had planned on doing more sifting than detecting. It's a ton of fun, so if you have a spot, you should totally build one.

Brad I keep coming back to check out those buttons. I'm real impressed by the assortment and the job you did preserving and photographing them. If you didn't already have a banner I would nominate these for L banner.

Thanks dude! Another L. :laughing7: I can't stop looking at them either.... cant wait to get home and unpack them once and for all.
 

Brad, it's great that you were able to hook up with Abe. Looks like he took you to some sweet spots. I love the War of 1812 era buttons. So much variety, but the pewters are usually pretty toasted, so congrats on your saves. Also looks like you have electrolysis down to a science!
 

Brad, it's great that you were able to hook up with Abe. Looks like he took you to some sweet spots. I love the War of 1812 era buttons. So much variety, but the pewters are usually pretty toasted, so congrats on your saves. Also looks like you have electrolysis down to a science!

Thanks Steve! I'll never forget digging those buttons. Abe is a really great guy and he took me to some amazing spots.

Here's the setup I made for Abe. I process a lot of iron, so over the years I've been modifying my tank to be more efficient. The biggest changes are 1/2" Graphite Rod as Anodes and Modified C-Clamps to attach the iron. It makes attaching the iron very easy and the anodes are extremely efficient.

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Thanks Steve! I'll never forget digging those buttons. Abe is a really great guy and he took me to some amazing spots.

Here's the setup I made for Abe. I process a lot of iron, so over the years I've been modifying my tank to be more efficient. The biggest changes are 1/2" Graphite Rod as Anodes and Modified C-Clamps to attach the iron. It makes attaching the iron very easy and the anodes are extremely efficient.

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That's quite a setup. If I ever dig an important piece of iron I'm sending it to you!!
 

Where do you get the graphite? I use steel rods but I heard the graphite rods are the cleanest and most efficient
 

Where do you get the graphite? I use steel rods but I heard the graphite rods are the cleanest and most efficient

I get mine from Amazon, but McMaster Carr and Grainger will have them too.

Amazon prices will fluctuate on the rods. I order whatever's cheaper at the time.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DYUKM4Q/?tag=treasurenet01-20
or
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RC0SZ8/?tag=treasurenet01-20

Here's a little more detail on my modifications. http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/cleaning-preservation/481085-electrolysis-setup-modifications.html

For Abe's, I just got some 1/4" steel all thread, torched it and bent 90 degree angles. Drilled holes in the bucket, bolted them on... drilled and tapped the graphite rod and screwed them onto the all thread. It took me maybe an hour to build the whole setup for him.

The first time I used the graphite I made 12" long anodes, but they wore uneven because of where the iron would typically be suspended in the tank. So I've been cutting them in half and making 6" rods now. The 12" rods come in 2 packs, so you can get 4 anodes out of them.

I drill and tap them, but I've started to think of a better way to attach them where I can either thread the 1/2 graphite rod on the outside and screw them into a 1/2" nut... or just slide them inside a sleeve and use a set screw to hold them in place. You can be creative... the graphite is highly conductive, so you just need to figure out how to attach a wire to each rod. They are essentially large pencil leads, so its soft and easy to drill and tap.

I used many anode types in the past, but these carbon rods are amazing
 

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