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Recently English Heritage has urged the public to help fight the rise of illegal metal detecting at its historic sites.
Ancient locations such as the site of the Battle of Hastings 1066 and Old Sarum in Wiltshire have been targeted by illegal detecting, the organisation said.
The conservation body said such action, known as "nighthawking", was "robbing us of our past".
There were more than double the number of metal detecting activities recorded in 2019 than two years ago, it added.
The charity said that December 2019 was the worst month for reported incidents in more than four years.
Chief executive Kate Mavor said the organisation was working with local police and Historic England but also needed the public's help - to report any suspicious activity on or near English Heritage sites.

"Illegal metal detecting robs us of our past," she said.
"Once items are spirited away they can never be replaced, and the evidence of those who went before us is lost forever."

Interesting article. Yes it's wrong. Yes you should have permission or the correct permits to detect..

However many of these ancient sites are well known and you wonder why the clever archaeologists have not used their own detectors to look. Certainly no lack of money and volunteer archaeology students in the last fifty years. You would of thought they had hit well known ancient sites many times themselves.
I fear there is an element of snobbery involved here too.

Another point to mention is museums around the world are full of artefacts that have been removed by archaeologists without much permission.

One recent example of many.
Raider of the Lost Vases: Archaeologist spared jail for stealing 17th century relics and selling them on eBay
James Vessey, 35, took three 17th century Bellarmine vases while excavating earth for the SouthGate shopping centre in Bath, Somerset in 2008.
But Vessey, who was employed by the Museum of London Archaeology to work on the dig, was caught when another archaeologist found the vessels, which date back to 1650, for sale on eBay last year.

These are the very same type of people who are now crying foul today?

I would like to suggest that the so called experts who can't seem to find these artefacts themselves approach detecting clubs and draw a balance by asking for help while offering permission to many of these sites. Even charge a small fee.
Lets hope both parties work something out or it will lead down the old road of more government control and who knows possible registration of metal detectors etc. That is not what we want!!
 
So they want all the history to just rot away hmm
 
I've never detected but the story is similar with Native American Artifacts. I do not condone grave robbing or digging at known sites. Here in Florida they (state archies) have made it illegal to search streams and rivers for artifacts. Bear in mind these artifacts area already out of historical context having washed down the stream from wherever they eroded in from. Laying at the bottom of a river does nothing to preserve history and no one can appreciate the artifact left behind by ancient man.
 
ITs simple, if THEY cant dig it up (and keep whatever they want) then nobody can dig it up. But dont expect them to conduct digs for free. They gotta get paid by your tax dollars (while employing an army of unpaid students) to make a search for something completely within the written historical record.
 
Simple, do not deal with them and you will feel better.
 
A quote...from Ann Axtel Morris, archaeologist and wife of archaeologist Earl Morris, who dug in the SW US in the 30's.

"Archaeology, treasure hunting decently concealed under the respectable cloak of science." Gary
 
I have mixed feelings being a hobbiest and working as a field tech.

Archeologists will never be able to get funds for every single place that had history. It’s impossible.

That being said, if there is a known site,that would make a future archaeological dig possible. We as detectorists should leave those places alone.

There are archaeology programs that welcome and appreciate the skilled detectorist. I know, because I work with such a program. It’s much more cost effective and yields more success for them to use us to locate where they should dig.

However, I feel that if you happen upon RANDOM OBJECTS from a place with no known history, one should not be penalized. The context is already compromised in some respect because there is no known history. With no known history, it is very unlikely that any scientific dig would ever take place there.

I do believe that the metal detecting community and archaeologist could come to terms with each other in a compromise if greed could be eliminated.

Personally, I would never detect unlawfully even if I disagree with the law. If you choose to do that it’s on you. Don’t complain.
 
Ive watched archies bring in excavators and strip off feet of topsoil because its "disturbed" or "not part of the original layer" before they even begin to do their thing. Then they scrape it all back in to the hole when they done. But WE go to jail if we come in and detect that spoil heap and walk away with some 1000 year old coin.
 
How do we as a group help to prevent the worst of what can happen with government intervention and generic archeological control over every site they determine as " historically " significant ?
 
I have mixed feelings being a hobbiest and working as a field tech.

Archeologists will never be able to get funds for every single place that had history. It’s impossible.

That being said, if there is a known site,that would make a future archaeological dig possible. We as detectorists should leave those places alone.

There are archaeology programs that welcome and appreciate the skilled detectorist. I know, because I work with such a program. It’s much more cost effective and yields more success for them to use us to locate where they should dig.

However, I feel that if you happen upon RANDOM OBJECTS from a place with no known history, one should not be penalized. The context is already compromised in some respect because there is no known history. With no known history, it is very unlikely that any scientific dig would ever take place there.

I do believe that the metal detecting community and archaeologist could come to terms with each other in a compromise if greed could be eliminated.

Personally, I would never detect unlawfully even if I disagree with the law. If you choose to do that it’s on you. Don’t complain.

What conditions determine whether a site is relevant for a future dig or is it just archeological " opinion " ?
 
Archaeology is just an excuse for government bureaucrats.
 
Determination of future digs...

Well although I’m not an archaeologist, my understanding is that there has to be a significant amount of information of a particular area that leads to presumption of a future dig within that area.

As far as known historical areas..Maps, historical documents and the like are used to get a general idea of where things might be. Surveys are conducted.... visual,STPs- shovel test pits, GPR- ground penetrating radar, and even some use metal detectors.

Or say someone makes a major discovery that previously had no known history. For example... your hiking a wooded area along a nature trail in a state forest. Suddenly you need to dig a cat hole to relieve yourself.. Upon doing that you discover ancient human remains, a stack of canon balls, or a shell mound. YOU decide that this is historically significant and report it to the authorities. This information ends up public knowledge and therefore AT THAT MOMENT it’s technically “on the list” of a FUTURE POSSIBLE archaeology site.

The future doesn’t mean in your lifetime and a funding decreases the possibility decreases. Nonetheless, it is at the moment protected under law.
 
I only hunt in the US and only on private property with permission with an occasional beach hunt now and then. Keeps me from having to be concerned. Unless of course I have to dig a cat hole in a forest. Lol.
 
Actually more concerned with getting poison ivy on my posterior extremity.
 
Around 2014/15 I was with a fellow detectorist that had an appointment with a Historian/Archeologist. This guys office(not open to the public) was full of interesting objects from arrowheads to old stone carved figures. When I asked where these things came from he was very vague and forgetful about their origins. He knew why I was asking. I can remember where I found a buffalo nickel 10 years ago but a spearhead on his desk he has no clue. I really don't trust them and stay away from them.
 
# 15, Now, that hurts. Got it all the time when I was a kid.
 

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