Dowsing for gold veins

[ClonedSIM]

Yes as I mentioned in the past, Dowsers have to deal with trash also, it's just different kind, than Lead, Bottlecaps, Pulltabs, and Rusty stuff.

This is another example of dowsers contradicting one another. I've read, more than once, that dowsers have the ability to disregard everything else, and dig only what they're searching for through various means. But you're saying this isn't possible?

 

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[dowser]

I appologize to all other Dowsers for using them in a quote, and only mean to write my own experiences. Dowser

 

[Twisted Fork]

Common knowledge about divination starts in the bible. If you can't read, learn. Meat is meat; I used to drive a tow truck; big deal. I've been commenting upon the source of the power, it's origins, and the power of darkness that any number of intellectuals who practice the art have witnessed in the wilderness. Try reading the instruction book and getting some first hand experience on the subject and then maybe we can have an intelligent conversation about it. It's refered to as witchcraft and involves the living dead in case you didn't know. Most of the old world gold circulating the earth, was found this way. Twisted

I know a place in the desert that would scare af so bad that he would run home crying, being as that is what happens to folks who go there and without enough smarts to believe in the dead.

Why are you still posting here, Twisted? Give it up already.
We're talking about dowsing and Twisted starts talking about the dead. Try this on for size.

I grew up in a funeral home. I've been well acquainted with death since I was three. Try waking up and walking into your garage only to see a corpse lying on a gurney with a five foot wide pool of blood beneath it and then talk to me about fear. Try getting up at 4 am to help your father at an accident scene where two men drove underneath a semi, and you get to dig both their heads out from the backseat. You don't know fear till you get to look into the face of a man that died alone in a metal building in July in Texas and wasn't discovered for three weeks.

Don't talk to me about death.

 

[ClonedSIM]

I appologize to all other Dowsers for using them in a quote, and only mean to write my own experiences. Dowser

Gotcha. Might want to gander at the ??.??.??.?? post in the main Dowsing forum, though.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Common knowledge about divination starts in the bible. If you can't read, learn. Meat is meat; I used to drive a tow truck; big deal. I've been commenting upon the source of the power, it's origins, and the power of darkness that any number of intellectuals who practice the art have witnessed in the wilderness. Try reading the instruction book and getting some first hand experience on the subject and then maybe we can have an intelligent conversation about it. It's refered to as witchcraft and involves the living dead in case you didn't know. Most of the old world gold circulating the earth, was found this way. Twisted

I know a place in the desert that would scare af so bad that he would run home crying, being as that is what happens to folks who go there and without enough smarts to believe in the dead.

Why are you still posting here, Twisted? Give it up already.
We're talking about dowsing and Twisted starts talking about the dead. Try this on for size.

I grew up in a funeral home. I've been well acquainted with death since I was three. Try waking up and walking into your garage only to see a corpse lying on a gurney with a five foot wide pool of blood beneath it and then talk to me about fear. Try getting up at 4 am to help your father at an accident scene where two men drove underneath a semi, and you get to dig both their heads out from the backseat. You don't know fear till you get to look into the face of a man that died alone in a metal building in July in Texas and wasn't discovered for three weeks.

Don't talk to me about death.

You sure are going to rile up some of the dowsers here, Twisted. They do all they can to separate dowsing from witchcraft and the dark arts.

And of course, you've provided us with another example of dowsers going out of their way to contradict each other.

 

[dowser]

Are you trying to make most posts of the year, or do you have anything sensible to say? I post true treasure stories on a treasure websight, what's your purpose. Let me guess, your trying to debunk Dowsing and save all mankind!!

 

[aarthrj3811]

Yes, I use Carbon to signal Carbon. One time I had a long distance Carbon target, which I was surprised at how big the signal was. I had to wait until the next weekend and go after it from a different direction. It was about a half mile walk from where I parked, and I could only wonder what it could be. When I got there it was exposed on the side of a hill, and it was a 4 inch wide vein, of black extra sparkly rock. Seeing it wasn't Diamonds, even though it sparkled like them, I chipped some chunks and went home. After I looked it up in a rock book, It was easily identified as Mica Schist, which consists of Graphite, and their was my Carbon.

And again these so called experts will not understand....They will make up excuses why you are wrong...Art

 

[michael franklin]

i am a member for exactly 1 day . the first 23 hours have been wonderful. looked up valuable info, used good,helpful links,chatted
a bit w/ some real nice folks. it was all good until i stumbled upon this
totally juvenile exchange of worthlessness.
i'm a nobody that knows nothing about everything.,but one thing that's
for sure , i keep my 2cents to myself. If you want to tell me that
something works for you, i'm glad. if i can assist you in a positive manner , then call me as needed, anytime anyhow. I'm there.
did we ever hear the unscientific term " whatever floats you boat"
To think that we live on a speck of dust in an otherwise endless
cosmos, and that on that fleck ,a vast majority believe in their eternal salvation hinges on their beleif in a diety for immortality. sounds
like a case of human dowsing. Things are bad enough that we vote for people we can see for our civic salvation. Science is only science when we can understanad it on our feeble human terms, then we are the so-called experts. things are REAL long before we know them as such.
face it, aren't we all just searching for scraps of a greater force than we can contemplate. if not we all would find the mother lode.one thing i can say,
learning is constant and theres always a better way, even if we don't understand it. right isn't always the right way. there are many roads to the same place. a little boost or a helpful nudge once in awhile doesn't hurt. Spirit is from within. until all spirits shine together ,we all lose.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Thanks Michael...Art

 

[dowser]

I didn't know where my signal line would end, I only knew that I was chasing a Carbon signal. It led me to a schist vein. I didn't even think Graphite until I saw it identified in a rock book. I wasn't searching for single diamonds, I was using non sensitive rods, and was following the largest Carbon signal. I wouldn't use sensitive L-rods unless I was in a diamond field, like in Arkansas.

 

[ClonedSIM]

i am a member for exactly 1 day . the first 23 hours have been wonderful. looked up valuable info, used good,helpful links,chatted
a bit w/ some real nice folks. it was all good until i stumbled upon this
totally juvenile exchange of worthlessness.
i'm a nobody that knows nothing about everything.,but one thing that's
for sure , i keep my 2cents to myself. If you want to tell me that
something works for you, i'm glad. if i can assist you in a positive manner , then call me as needed, anytime anyhow. I'm there.
did we ever hear the unscientific term " whatever floats you boat"
To think that we live on a speck of dust in an otherwise endless
cosmos, and that on that fleck ,a vast majority believe in their eternal salvation hinges on their beleif in a diety for immortality. sounds
like a case of human dowsing. Things are bad enough that we vote for people we can see for our civic salvation. Science is only science when we can understanad it on our feeble human terms, then we are the so-called experts. things are REAL long before we know them as such.
face it, aren't we all just searching for scraps of a greater force than we can contemplate. if not we all would find the mother lode.one thing i can say,
learning is constant and theres always a better way, even if we don't understand it. right isn't always the right way. there are many roads to the same place. a little boost or a helpful nudge once in awhile doesn't hurt. Spirit is from within. until all spirits shine together ,we all lose.

Here's the funny thing about this, Michael.
If you notice, the forum for "dowsers only" gets, what, 2-3 posts a day? Whereas the forum where both dowsers and skeptics can posts is getting 50-75 posts per day. Why is this? Well, I can only conjecture, but it seems like that if the dowsers didn't have skeptics to talk to, they would have nothing to say at all! Think about it.

Dowsers don't post pictures of their finds.
Dowsers can't talk about new technologies.
Dowsers can't talk about the inner-workings of dowsing since they all disagree on this.
A lot of the posts in the "dowsers only" forum are dowsers ragging on skeptics.

This would be a very boring and lonely place it if weren't for the skeptics.

 

[ClonedSIM]

That's really a marvelous acheivement for you to claim bragging rights.

AFT,You have quite an impressive Skeptic record. 1,986 Rants against Dowsing & Dowsers, excluding all the times you have been deleted. And you continue to have nothing of interest to say on the subject of Dowsing.

Alas, to your dis-credit folks will still consider the pride the Skeptic's enjoy in making erronous and untruthful statements about Treasure hunters in the pursuit of a fantasy agenda to save the world from Dowsing, and Treasure Hunters who use Dowsing as a research tool and starting point for their own Treasure searches.

The sheer volume of your rants puts you in the fore front of dis-credibility for the Skeptic crusade.

I think you are doing the viewers a great favor by your example of Skeptic goals that have blatant dis-regard for fact, truth, or honesty, to attract attention to themselves and their crusade.

An unrealistic, Skeptic clown, with a fantasy agenda, may indeed cause some folks to laugh. Dell

Let's play a game, Dell, shall we?

I call it "Let's Find the Number of Things Wrong with Dell's Post."

1. I don't have 1986 rants against Dowsers and Dowsing. Count them yourself. They're all available for viewing in my profile.
2. I have said plenty regarding dowsing, but rarely will dowsers address the actual statement, choosing rather to attack my avatar.
3. You can say skeptics make erroneous and untruthful statements about dowsing, but unless you point out these statements, your remarks are unfounded.
4. Again, skeptics do not have a disregard for truth or honesty. Indeed, we hold it in the highest regard, which is why dowsers who flaunt their obvious disregard for these traits are frequently a target of our correction.
4. To say I have a fantasy agenda only shows your own detachment from reality. You are so involved in your own fantasy you refuse to see the facts for what they are. They are facts, not an attacks at dowsers. But, it is understandable that you would see them as attacks since you have such a tenacious grasp on reality already.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Aft, your interest in playing games with Dowsers does not dimminish the appearance of being attacks on Dowsers, and Treasure Hunters credibility. The reality is That I have a proven record of Treasure Hunting & Dowsing successes.

What are you offering besides lame arguments against Dowsing, and the obvious call for attention to yourself and a Skeptic's fantasay agenda to save the world from Dowsing, Dowsers, and Treasure Hunters who use Dowsing as a search tool? Dell

It's funny you should accuse me of calling attention to myself, considering I don't use my real name, don't provide a link to a website hawking my wares, and don't tell tales to try and enhance the crediblity of those products. I would never even........wait.....

That's right, I just described you, didn't I Dell?

 

[ClonedSIM]

That's right Aft. I don't hide behind an alias. I consider the use of my Real name, address & phone number a character trait of openess and honesty.

My websites pertaining to the sale of my products, or my forum URL are not allowed to be posted on TNET. Besides that, the products I build are not intended as mental Dowsing tools, nor are they advertised, or sold as Dowsing tools. They do not qualify for discussion in this Dowsing forum.

It's only the skeptics serving a destructive agenda that favor, and persist in sneakily bringing up Non-Dowsing electronic Frequency Discrimination, (products I use) via disrespectful inference and inneuendo on a forum designated strictly to the discussion of Dowsing. Dell

That's odd, Dell. I was able to make it to a site selling something called an Omni**** in just two clicks. The Omni**** declares itself to be a piece of l**g r***e l*****g equipment.

So, are you telling us that this site isn't yours and this product isn't advertised as being able to locate treasure? Then you better look out, Dell, because there's some guy with a website with your name on and a picture of a guy claiming he's you!

There's your openness and honesty, Dell. You just reek of it. And you're certainly the last to be judging someone else's honesty.

There are very few people on this site that use their real name or photo in their posts. Shall we go around and introduce you to all of them, because if that makes me dishonest then you're calling 3/4 of Treasurenet dishonest as well.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Yes, in all honesty, my websites are easily found on the internet. Just type "Dell" into the search engine and you will find a link.

But the subject of this forum is Dowsing, not the products I build. Right? Dell

Hey Dell....You are 100% right.....How a person makes a living should make no difference on the forum. ...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Yes, in all honesty, my websites are easily found on the internet. Just type "Dell" into the search engine and you will find a link.

But the subject of this forum is Dowsing, not the products I build. Right? Dell

No, you brought up the subject when you questioned my honesty. Don't get off topic if you can't handle the truth, Dell. Don't attempt to bring someone's honesty into question unless you'd like your own brought up as well.

And who said anything about your sites and search engines? You can get to the site you sell your contraptions on from this site, in only two clicks.

 

[ClonedSIM]

There you go again, distorting even your own definition of Mental Dowsing to incorporate an application of electronics, that serves the Skeptic mindset in pursuit of a destructive agenda against Dowsing, and Treasure Hunters who use Dowsing as a beneficial research tool.

Unfortunately, "The door to knowledge & understanding is never open to a closed, or prejudiced mind". Dell

I love how you think that anyone who doesn't agree with you has a closed or prejudiced mind. Oddly, you thinking that way actually makes you the prejudiced one.

 

[utah hunter]

i am a member for exactly 1 day . the first 23 hours have been wonderful. looked up valuable info, used good,helpful links,chatted
a bit w/ some real nice folks. it was all good until i stumbled upon this
totally juvenile exchange of worthlessness.
i'm a nobody that knows nothing about everything.,but one thing that's
for sure , i keep my 2cents to myself. If you want to tell me that
something works for you, i'm glad. if i can assist you in a positive manner , then call me as needed, anytime anyhow. I'm there.
did we ever hear the unscientific term " whatever floats you boat"
To think that we live on a speck of dust in an otherwise endless
cosmos, and that on that fleck ,a vast majority believe in their eternal salvation hinges on their beleif in a diety for immortality. sounds
like a case of human dowsing. Things are bad enough that we vote for people we can see for our civic salvation. Science is only science when we can understanad it on our feeble human terms, then we are the so-called experts. things are REAL long before we know them as such.
face it, aren't we all just searching for scraps of a greater force than we can contemplate. if not we all would find the mother lode.one thing i can say,
learning is constant and theres always a better way, even if we don't understand it. right isn't always the right way. there are many roads to the same place. a little boost or a helpful nudge once in awhile doesn't hurt. Spirit is from within. until all spirits shine together ,we all lose.

Welcome to tnet. They actually have a pro dowsing and a why I don't believe in dowsing forum. If this was posted in the pro dowsing forum, no negative comments could have been made. You will find that believers and non believers love these exchanges, that is why they post in the neutral dowsing site in the first place. When I first joined tnet I actually believed in dowsing, and had since I was young. I was disappointed when I asked to see finds, and I was immediately threatened by the pro dowsers, and some of their posts were so threatening they were deleted and warned by the moderators.

I have since learned that dowsing finds are scarce and questionable as to whether dowsing or just good old research and common sense lead to finds or an ability. I also learned dowsing is like a religion to people, and if you question dowsing, you will be treated as if you question someones religion and get the same responses.

I read the posts now for entertainment and don't get in on the arguments, they really are funny to read.

 

[ClonedSIM]

JERRY, claiming as fact based on nothing more than your assumption and belief is no criteria for common sense. Common sense can not be assosciated with the denial of your own inherhent human ability, or the talent and experience of others.

I may be an uneducated hillbilly, but I have enough common sense and personal field experience to know and understand that much of what you claim can Not be done, has already been done, and therefore can be done. If you can't accept that simple premise of fact, then I will repeat,

"THE DOOR TO KNOWLEDGE & UNDERSTANDING IS NEVER OPEN TO A CLOSED, OR PREJUDICED MIND? Dell

And so I shall repeat: I love how you think that anyone who doesn't agree with you has a closed or prejudiced mind. Oddly, you thinking that way actually makes you the prejudiced one.

 

[aarthrj3811]

There is a lot of talk about occult and paranormal on this site. I don’t care if it fits into these categories. I have been dowsing for many years and the boogie man has not got me yet.

Some say that the only way dowsing can work is by Ideomotor response which is defined as involuntary movements of the hands and wrist. So what does that prove? In my opinion the sub conscious mind can be trained to only react under certain condition. When you learned to tie your shoes you were training your mind. Why can I not train my sub conscious mind to only allow the dowsing rods to close under certain conditions?....Art