Dowsing,Wrong Name

[David Ritchie]

Hi, I don't know how to use this forum but I'll try.
I'm not only the best dowser in the world I have discovered the secrets of How Dowsing Works if anyone is interested in helping me get a dvd video put together I will prove to the world that dowsing has got nothing to do with Brain Power or anything that looks like it.
I have discovered Why it works,What Makes it Work and can give you a demonstration of that that will put the hardest nose skeptic in the closet for good.
I'm talking about using metal dowsing rods or rod, and by the way, dowsing is not the right name for this phenomenon, it has nothing to do with divination,witchcraft,paranormal,musicians or fairies.
I live in Malden,Mo. and am looking for a partner in my quest to not only prove this phenomenon does work but HOW it WORKS, this can be done using water lines,power lines,telephone lines,sewer lines etc, in such a way anyone can check it out for themselves, it time to put an end to the quacks out there saying this phenomenon is paranormal.
Best Regards
David Ritchie
cdrringo@sbcglobal.net

 

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[Mike(Mont)]

David, you have a formidable task ahead of you. The skeptics have practiced their spin for the last fifteen years. As the saying goes, "If you know it, no proof is necessary. If you don't know it, no amount of proof is ever enough." No matter what you say, do, or videotape it won't be enough to satisfy any of the critic skeptics around here. They are hard core and set in their ways. They don't know the meaning of an open mind.

I certainly know what you are saying that dowsing is not the right name. It's just a sensing of what is physically there, no majic, psychic, voodoo, miracles, involved. Typical of all the skeptics is their debunking attitude. Debunking assumes there is some fraud and they intend to root it out. Of course this is totally biased. I recall one skeptic claiming he was "totally unbiased". Judy H. came in and cleaned them out. And then they attacked her claiming she is biased.

I wish you the best of luck on your endeavor but don't expect to convert any of the skeptic culture. They won't change their ways until they are on their deathbed, and then just like all the atheists they'll try to beg for forgiveness. I'm a firm beleiver in Karma.What you reap you sow. The idea that anyone can live a rotten low-self existence overflowing with negative emotions and expect to redeem it all in the last minute of their is life is absolute nonsense. It's all there on the record. Words, once spoken, fly irrevocably. You can't sweep it under the carpet.

My suggestion is to not have anything to do with the skeptics. They use every dirty trick in the book. You'll lose credibility if you start arguing with them, and even if you follow this they'll try and worm their way in. All you have to do is take one look at the main dowsing forum. Can you find one sentence that has anything to do with real locating?

 

[David Ritchie]

Thank Mike for the good words, I've been needing some, I can assure you of one thing,If I get my video made like I want I'll get it to every media there is,I'm tried of the naive uneducated idiots out there that has giving this the wrong name and giving it a BAD NAME at the same time.
Thanks Mike
David

 

[Jean310]

I wish you the best of luck on your endeavor but don't expect to convert any of the skeptic culture. They won't change their ways until they are on their deathbed, and then just like all the atheists they'll try to beg for forgiveness. I'm a firm beleiver in Karma.What you reap you sow. The idea that anyone can live a rotten low-self existence overflowing with negative emotions and expect to redeem it all in the last minute of their is life is absolute nonsense. It's all there on the record. Words, once spoken, fly irrevocably. You can't sweep it under the carpet.

Good grief, Mike, that's some really serious hate and poison you've got pent up there. Have you considered the consequences of harboring those kinds of thoughts on a daily basis?

From the above tirade, it appears you believe; being skeptical of something makes that person

~ like an atheist

~ rotten, low-self existence

~ overflowing with negative emotions

~ won't change their ways until they are on their deathbed? What ways are you talking about? Mike, being skeptical of something is not a crime against God, or the State.

I checked the definition at Wikipedia; and found something with a lot less anger, emotional upset and pure hatred.

It goes like this:

A scientific (or empirical) skeptic is one who questions the reliability of certain kinds of claims by subjecting them to a systematic investigation. For many scientific skeptics, this process is akin to the scientific method. This does not mean that the scientific skeptic is necessarily a scientist who conducts live experiments (though this may be the case), but that the skeptic generally accepts claims that are in his/her view likely to be true based on testable hypotheses and critical thinking.

Just as a friendly suggestion, and your own well-being, you might want to consider replacing your thought patterns with the above definition. Do a little cleansing process of your own house before you start on mine.

Jean

 

[xupz]

Ah another "best dowser" in the world. Ok let's cut to the chase:

What is it you do for a living?
Have a degree or are you another high school drop out?
Have you determined "how" dowsing works based on hard scientific principles?
Have you ever performed significantly better than random in any experimental design?
Do you have the methodology for said exam if so?
Can you repeat the results?
What would you claim as your percent of success?
Why haven't you taken Randi's challenge for the million bucks? Or Carl's for $25k?
Why do you need a partner?

As I've said many times, you're going to have to perform significantly better than random in a well designed experimental design (with replications) before you ever turn any skeptics including myself. Then again, $5 bucks says this guy might be the most delusional dowser on the forum.

 

[David Ritchie]

Hi, The reason nobody has taken Randis' million is because of the way they have the protocol set up, let me give you an example,since I now know how dowsing works I can tell you for sure that the protocol test that Randi and his people give are VERY BADLY FLAWED when it come to testing people for dowsing with metal rods or rod, here is the example, I say I can find water lines buried,[there is a reason why they have to be buried], they say O.K. if you can find water,GO OVER THERE AND TELL US WHICH ONE OF THOSE WATER LINES [LAYING ON THE FLOOR] HAS WATER IN THEM.
When and if you ever see HOW DOWSING WORKS you will know that is the WRONG WAY to test for it.
The phenomenon of dowsing works with the electromagnetic feilds of the EARTH and the HUMAN BODY and ANYTIME you want that PROVED TO YOU I"LL BET YOU THAT MILLION DOLLARS THAT I CAN DO JUST THAT, NOW either you should shut your mouth or TAKE ME UP ON MY OFFER.
Best Regards
DAvid Ritchie

 

[xupz]

Hi, The reason nobody has taken Randis' million is because of the way they have the protocol set up, let me give you an example,since I now know how dowsing works I can tell you for sure that the protocol test that Randi and his people give are VERY BADLY FLAWED when it come to testing people for dowsing with metal rods or rod

Haha more typical dowser BS. What EXACTLY is flawed with Randi's test? He uses a double-blind experimental design that is modified FOR the person being tested. The only condition is that the test uses proper methodology. I'll take the fact that you ignored all other questions, as I'm positive you have no mathematical background and tried to "attack" me, as proof you will prove NOTHING. You don't even have a clue what it takes to "prove" something. It's not as easy as going "TAKE MY OFFER".

The phenomenon of dowsing works with the electromagnetic feilds of the EARTH and the HUMAN BODY

What science already out there supports this claim? Have links to studies where the fundamental concepts of this interaction have been verified? Are you saying the body can sense these changes in electromagnetic fields due to water and then the ideomotor response kick in? Or are the rods reacting on their own to these changes? Is the change in electromagnetism SIGNIFICANT enough to be measured using electronic equipment that exists? Is the change you're claiming significant enough to overpower the EARTH's field?

The reality is your concept of "proof" is nonexistent. Tell me EXACTLY what's wrong with the double-blind protocol Randi has setup. I want to know exactly what parts of the methodology are flawed / biased. Also, since you're so sure you can perform these tests, let's hear your own experimental design that would test it. Please outline the methodology you would use, be specific.

 

[Jean310]

When and if you ever see HOW DOWSING WORKS you will know that is the WRONG WAY to test for it.
The phenomenon of dowsing works with the electromagnetic feilds of the EARTH and the HUMAN BODY and ANYTIME you want that PROVED TO YOU I"LL BET YOU THAT MILLION DOLLARS THAT I CAN DO JUST THAT, NOW either you should shut your mouth or TAKE ME UP ON MY OFFER.
Best Regards
DAvid Ritchie

So, if you believe Randi does not test dowsing correctly, do you have a protocol you could explain here, where "your dowsing" could be tested, and the test will validate dowsing as something which has merit and repeatability (several levels) over and above logic, intuition and guessing might produce?

Jean

 

[Jean310]

The phenomenon of dowsing works with the electromagnetic feilds of the EARTH and the HUMAN BODY and ANYTIME you want that PROVED TO YOU I"LL BET YOU THAT MILLION DOLLARS THAT I CAN DO JUST THAT, NOW either you should shut your mouth or TAKE ME UP ON MY OFFER.
Best Regards
DAvid Ritchie

If the phenomenon of dowsing works according to interactions of electromagnetic fields, of the Earth, the human body, etc.; it would seem that this phenomenon has a strong basis and is related to ordinary scientific principles, which many of us are already familiar. That being the case, could you merely put in words the explanation for how dowsing works? Give it a shot, there are a few here who have somewhat of a working knowledge of electromagnet principles and axioms. There is no better way to obtain support for a proposed theory, than to submit it to a committee of peers for review. It is quite common, and done every day in the practice of scientific endeavors.

Jean

 

[David Ritchie]

O.K., let's get down to business, Randis' protocol is flawed because the test is giving in such a way that the electromagnetic field that a dowser is working with IS NOT THERE, I'm talking about when you lay the water lines on a floor some where and ask the chanllenger to pick out WHICH ONE has the water in it, this doesn't work. even if you had the water lines BURIED the electromagnetic field is going through all the water lines at the same time and is threrfore ruining your chances of finding the one water line that has the water in it.
Let me give you the IDEAL PROTOCOL test for a chanllenger and IF ANYBODY IN THE WORLD [RANDI OR OTHERWISE] want to give me this test HE WILL LOSE HIS MONEY THE DAY HE DOES IT.
PICK A FIELD SOME WHERE,bury some water lines full of water about a foot and a half deep or power cables with or without power on them and I will not only find them I WILL MARK EVERY FOOT OF THEM WITH FLAGS.
Now if you closed minded people out there don't want to see the EVIDENCE why don't you just say so and go home?
I'm willing to prove EVERYTHING I'VE said IN AN HONEST TEST for what I dowse for,I don't dowse for deep underground water or show you where to dig for a well. I dowse for things that I CAN PROVE I'VE FOUND.
The problem with Randis' Association goes like this, you say you can dowse water lines and they say there is TOO MUCH INFORMATION OUT THERE ON THIS SORT OF THINGS, how stupid of an excuse can you come up with?
David

 

[David Ritchie]

WHEN DO YOU WANT TO SEE IT
David Ritchie

 

[dowser 501]

David , you are wasting your breath. You are walking right into the skeptics trap.
They hang around this forum like vultures. I started off like you about 10 years ago, was going to move the world with my dowsing. There is plenty of buried treasure out there that you can find.
There are thousands of jesuit caches for an example. Go dig one up, there is about 2 tons of gold in each cache and retire quietly to spend it with your kids and grandkids. Anyway < you are not the best dowser world wide, I am
Regards Max

 

[Jean310]

BTW, David, I don't think you ever said what you were going to call this phenomenon (that looks like dowsing), but is called by the wrong name.

Mental locating? Mental finding? Mental seeking?

(I mean............ it is the subject of the thread.)

Jean

 

[Carl-NC]

Anyway < you are not the best dowser world wide, I am

I'll give Max the nod on this one...

David, where do you live? PM me if you don't want to say on the forum.

- Carl

 

[David Ritchie]

Hi Dell, Dowsing should have been called and should be called Locating by means of ELF Intensified Electromagnetic Feild Detection, using the means of the electromagnetic feilds of the human body and of the earth, it's that simple.
David Ritchie

 

[Jean310]

Hi Dell, Dowsing should have been called and should be called Locating by means of ELF Intensified Electromagnetic Feild Detection, using the means of the electromagnetic feilds of the human body and of the earth, it's that simple.
David Ritchie

Well, sorry, Dell. That blows your idea..... but at least you got the plug in for physical dowsing, which of course is really just a Winders-ism for plain old mental dowsing.

Jean

 

[xupz]

Never thought I'd see the day where a bunch of dowsers would start fighting over who's the most delusional.

Anyway, we all know Art is the best.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

OH boy, David, since this is a new post I can put in my 15 cents worth First ask them just why none of them will acknowledge the data in the the infamous posts # 6 & # 88. In fact I predict that they will retire en mass instead of facing a bit of questioning.

Science has two faces, they are showing the bad side of it.

jean how many electro magnetic fields and frequencies are there? How are the unknown ones measured?


swr Are you actually that naive to think that if someone dug up a large cache that they would be so stupid that they would announce it in here of all places?

Mental dowsing ?? Since dowsing hasn't been defined clearly yet, why play semantic games? Does it really matter what it is called at this stage?

You are dreaming Judy, they would never backup anything they advocate, just yak negatively and run.



CARL I am beginning to have faith in you again, if you play it by an unbiased book..


Delusioned? I cast my vote for xu. He outclasses them.

As for dowsing, since it is still in the investigative state one name is as good as another and does not invalidate it.

Relax David these peeps only live to show how intelligent they are, unfortunately they fall flat on their faces, as they have done so many other times in other threads and topics...

The resurrected Tropical Tramp

 

[David Ritchie]

I should here the name that Dowsing should be called.
It should be called, ELF Intensified Electromagnetic Field Detection by means of using metal rods to detect the electromagnetic field of the human body and the electromagnetic field of the earth.
This can now be demonstrated by me in such a way as to send ALL of the SKEPTIC home crying for calling this phenomenon PARANORMAL.
It has nothing in the world to do with the paranormal,witchcraft,divination,fairies or anything that even looks like it, it's that simple.
Carl David Ritchie
cdrringo@sbcglobal.net
P.S. I have the secrets of How Dowsing Works but I'm not GIVING them away, I've spent too much work and time FINDING THEM.

 

[aarthrj3811]

http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/background/nicholls.html


A Self-Confessed Liar
To be fair, he has never claimed to be anything other than a showman, best expressed by his own remark,
'I am a charlatan, a liar, a thief and a fake altogether.'
FROM THE MOUTH OF RANDI......WITH LOVE....ART