Electrolysis reveals another OLD copper

[RelicMedic]

Been putting some of my unidentifyable coins from my loyalist site through electrolysis...what do ya know, a 1786 New Jersey Colonial copper! The only detail to positively identify it is the shield. Too bad it wasn't in better shape. Thanks for looking!

 

[Gaspipe]

Still awesome

 

[Iron Patch]

Given the shape of the shield I think it's probably a late 18th century British condor token. Can you see anything at all on the other side?


Not part of the word LET I see on the bottom of your coin?

 

[IAsoldier]

New Jersey type I'm thinking

 

[Tuggerman]

Is there a before photo? Is this recommended if it's recognizable and date is readable?

 

[RelicMedic]

The other side is in bad shape too. Under the right light, I thought I saw a horses head, and when I researched the coin, I saw that there actually is a horses head on the 1786 New Jersey cent. Also, I can see lines close together, and going down the shield. I can only see a couple of them tho

 

[RelicMedic]

Oh sorry, I don't have a before photo. It was so Unrecognizable that I didn't bother to take a pic.

 

[Crawdigger]

Nice find! Congrats!

 

[Iron Patch]

The other side is in bad shape too. Under the right light, I thought I saw a horses head, and when I researched the coin, I saw that there actually is a horses head on the 1786 New Jersey cent. Also, I can see lines close together, and going down the shield. I can only see a couple of them tho

Well if you see the right design on the other side it is a NJ.

 

[RelicMedic]

Yeah it's really hard to make out but it's there. It's definitely a NJ. Found a Massachusetts Colonial copper there too. It's in better shape

 

[wheatfinder13]

That's a very impressive find

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

All varieties of the NJ copper have the center point of the shield higher than the outside points.
The top three points of your shield are of equal height, and is a conder token, maybe not the same as IP posted, there are a lot of them with shields.

I made the same call as you 2 years ago, and many others didn't catch it either.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/t...coppers-crossed-one-off-more-video-added.html

 

[RelicMedic]

Thank you for the correction guys. A little bummed, but it's still kinda cool!

 

[Msbeepbeep]

At lest it has a good shield out line on it! Good find!

 

[Greylock]

All varieties of the NJ copper have the center point of the shield higher than the outside points.
The top three points of your shield are of equal height, and is a conder token, maybe not the same as IP posted, there are a lot of them with shields.

I made the same call as you 2 years ago, and many others didn't catch it either.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/259443-colonial-day-9-coppers-crossed-one-off-more-video-added.html

Not on all varieties is the center point higher than the outer two. I have a 1787 Maris-38z and the center point is lower. I haven't looked at every variety but I think the wide shield is 1786. Here is a photo from coin facts of the maris38z with the lower outside points.





ACE- that's a good find either way. Maybe try taking a few more photos of obverse and reverse. Someone may spot something to help ID.

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

Not on all varieties is the center point higher than the outer two. I have a 1787 Maris-38z and the center point is lower. I haven't looked at every variety but I think the wide shield is 1786. Here is a photo from coin facts of the maris38z with the lower outside points.

ACE- that's a good find either way. Maybe try taking a few more photos of obverse and reverse. Someone may spot something to help ID.

OK my bad, guess I should have said all the varieties shown in the red book have a higher center point. I'd assume that the one you found is a fairly rare variety, and his is certainly not that one.

 

[Greylock]

Yes the one I found I believe is "very scarce". That could easily be the token you guys are referring to but without more detail I'm not the one to say. Maybe Don in SJ will chime in.

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

Yes the one I found I believe is "very scarce". That could easily be the token you guys are referring to but without more detail I'm not the one to say. Maybe Don in SJ will chime in.

The one you posted has different shape, and bottom point comes much closer to the edge of coin.

Ace check edge for any lettering, the first one I found, even though quite toast, still had a bit of edge lettering.
I got another one (2 actually) this year with some lines in the shield. I'll dig it out sometime today.

 

[RelicMedic]

Thanks Rick. I think I was too quick to dismiss the possibility of it being a NJ. Looking closer at the shield on the Condor Token, it seems to sit a little low on the coin compared to mine. Mine is dead Center and wider than the one on the token. I'm a little nervous about putting it back in the tank, but I think I might have to in order to get something off the other side.

 

[Don in SJ]

You need to take a direct overhead photo so I can see the exact relationship of the 3 points of the shield. I only see one possibility for it being a NJ and that would be the S reverse, but need to see a head on shot. Right now I cannot consider it a NJ copper since the Condor tokens are a more viable possibility. It is not the z reverse, too narrow of a shield. I combined your copper, with the Condor token IP posted and an example of the z Rev and S Rev of a NJ copper. I don't think I missed any other possible variety that has a wide shield.