Finding a cache in Germany
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kamgort
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1. Without the consent of the owner it is impossible to search on its earth.Ryan88 said:
2.It is necessary to obtain the permit from archeologists of area where you wish to search
Siegfried Schlagrule
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When I was in germany and turning in corroded steel clad coins
at the bank they tried to impose the 5 mark rule and seize the
coins. I had a card printed up in german that told the teller that
these coins were found individually by a metal detector and that
they were not all found in one container which solved the problem.
good luck, siegfried schlagrule
at the bank they tried to impose the 5 mark rule and seize the
coins. I had a card printed up in german that told the teller that
these coins were found individually by a metal detector and that
they were not all found in one container which solved the problem.
good luck, siegfried schlagrule
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Kamgort, where do you get that German md'r hobbyists have to get "permission from archaeologists" there? There are lots of German hobbyists who detect no problem.
But I suspect it's the same thing if German hobbyists were exchanging on a German forum, and someone asks another: "can you detect in the USA?" you would probably also see them answer each other the same exact way: "no you can't, unless you ask the american archaeologists for permission, lest you be arrested blah blah". Why? Because they probably read about Mel Fisher's hassles, or heard of ARPA and federal stuff, Bodie, Shiloh, etc.... What other conclusion could they come to? Doh! Yet we all know there's lots of places to detect here, no problem. Is that to say if you asked enough bureaucrats "can I detect at the city sandbox?" that you might not hear "no". But if you just went, no one probably cares less.
As an example, I sold a machine to a fellow from Spain (who responded to my internet classified ad). In the dealings to sell and ship the machine, I couldn't help but ask him "I thought md'ing was illegal there?" (I had surmised this by reading a website which listed all the md'ing laws of each European country, and Spain was amongst the more dire sounding ones). The fellow said that the laws you read about only apply to historical monuments, or federal type land, and that there is nothing to stop you from detecting farmers fields with permission (like the English do all the time) to your heart's content. Or quite frankly, he said they detect so far out in the woods, there's no one to complain or notice to begin with.
If I found a cache in Germany, I'd certainly keep it and not be a sore thumb with questions.
But I suspect it's the same thing if German hobbyists were exchanging on a German forum, and someone asks another: "can you detect in the USA?" you would probably also see them answer each other the same exact way: "no you can't, unless you ask the american archaeologists for permission, lest you be arrested blah blah". Why? Because they probably read about Mel Fisher's hassles, or heard of ARPA and federal stuff, Bodie, Shiloh, etc.... What other conclusion could they come to? Doh! Yet we all know there's lots of places to detect here, no problem. Is that to say if you asked enough bureaucrats "can I detect at the city sandbox?" that you might not hear "no". But if you just went, no one probably cares less.
As an example, I sold a machine to a fellow from Spain (who responded to my internet classified ad). In the dealings to sell and ship the machine, I couldn't help but ask him "I thought md'ing was illegal there?" (I had surmised this by reading a website which listed all the md'ing laws of each European country, and Spain was amongst the more dire sounding ones). The fellow said that the laws you read about only apply to historical monuments, or federal type land, and that there is nothing to stop you from detecting farmers fields with permission (like the English do all the time) to your heart's content. Or quite frankly, he said they detect so far out in the woods, there's no one to complain or notice to begin with.
If I found a cache in Germany, I'd certainly keep it and not be a sore thumb with questions.
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Why raise problems for yourself by asking for permission to detect first. If it is against the law someone may tell you while you are detecting. Tom is right, many times the first time you ask if you may detect, it is very easy to just say NO.
Enjoy your detecting, but watch out for ordinance buried in the soil.
Enjoy your detecting, but watch out for ordinance buried in the soil.
kamgort
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In this regard, to find in Germany. My advice to my friend who lives in Germany..Tom_in_CA said:Kamgort, where do you get that German md'r hobbyists have to get "permission from archaeologists" there? There are lots of German hobbyists who detect no problem.
But I suspect it's the same thing if German hobbyists were exchanging on a German forum, and someone asks another: "can you detect in the USA?" you would probably also see them answer each other the same exact way: "no you can't, unless you ask the american archaeologists for permission, lest you be arrested blah blah". Why? Because they probably read about Mel Fisher's hassles, or heard of ARPA and federal stuff, Bodie, Shiloh, etc.... What other conclusion could they come to? Doh! Yet we all know there's lots of places to detect here, no problem. Is that to say if you asked enough bureaucrats "can I detect at the city sandbox?" that you might not hear "no". But if you just went, no one probably cares less.
As an example, I sold a machine to a fellow from Spain (who responded to my internet classified ad). In the dealings to sell and ship the machine, I couldn't help but ask him "I thought md'ing was illegal there?" (I had surmised this by reading a website which listed all the md'ing laws of each European country, and Spain was amongst the more dire sounding ones). The fellow said that the laws you read about only apply to historical monuments, or federal type land, and that there is nothing to stop you from detecting farmers fields with permission (like the English do all the time) to your heart's content. Or quite frankly, he said they detect so far out in the woods, there's no one to complain or notice to begin with.
If I found a cache in Germany, I'd certainly keep it and not be a sore thumb with questions.
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Tom in CA has always been a bold fellow.
...and I'm surprised at the Sandman.
Not-with-standing they are factually correct that easiest response to any question is NO.
I HAVE been before the judge who sternly advised me that 'ignorance of the law is no excuse'.
SOME people are luckier than others... I'm not one of those.
Make a decision if you are willing to accept the consequences if called to the bar !
Good luck
rmptr
...and I'm surprised at the Sandman.
Not-with-standing they are factually correct that easiest response to any question is NO.
I HAVE been before the judge who sternly advised me that 'ignorance of the law is no excuse'.
SOME people are luckier than others... I'm not one of those.
Make a decision if you are willing to accept the consequences if called to the bar !
Good luck
rmptr
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