First silver hammered of the year

[hodge]

A spur of the moment decision to get out detecting this morning resulted in a totally unexpected find. I only had the morning free as I'd made a commitment to do one or two jobs at home today. I went to a field that I'd detected on a number of times before, and had found a reasonable number of old coins - including hammered silver coinage of Edward 1st & 2nd. I'd set a deadline of 11:30am at which I'd pack up & get off home to get the jobs done. Only found 4 coins in the 2 1/2 hour session, these were pre-decimal pennies dated to 1875 & 1953, a halfpenny of 1872...and the big one... a Silver Groat of Edward IV, date range of 1464 - 1870. Validated at www.ukdfd.co.uk - (reference 23462)
A very nice coin, and my first silver of any type in 2010.

 

[CRUSADER]

Beautiful groat Hodge! I've got a fledgling hammered silver collection that ranges from Henry II to Charles I. But I've yet to pick up an Edward VI hammered of any type. Got HVIII and EI, but no EVI!

Congratulations!

Wow, are you sure you have a Henry II, they are pretty rare

 

[Silver Searcher]

Beautiful groat Hodge! I've got a fledgling hammered silver collection that ranges from Henry II to Charles I. But I've yet to pick up an Edward VI hammered of any type. Got HVIII and EI, but no EVI!

Congratulations!

Wow, are you sure you have a Henry II, they are pretty rare

You mean Henry1, don't you

SS

 

[CRUSADER]

Beautiful groat Hodge! I've got a fledgling hammered silver collection that ranges from Henry II to Charles I. But I've yet to pick up an Edward VI hammered of any type. Got HVIII and EI, but no EVI!

Congratulations!

Wow, are you sure you have a Henry II, they are pretty rare

You mean Henry1, don't you

SS

No, I've never had a shortcross. Had a couple of Telby (& these are collectable), shortcross start at £55 in F in Spinks. Thats pretty rare to me

 

[Silver Searcher]

Beautiful groat Hodge! I've got a fledgling hammered silver collection that ranges from Henry II to Charles I. But I've yet to pick up an Edward VI hammered of any type. Got HVIII and EI, but no EVI!

Congratulations!

Wow, are you sure you have a Henry II, they are pretty rare

You mean Henry1, don't you

SS

No, I've never had a shortcross. Had a couple of Telby (& these are collectable), shortcross start at £55 in F in Spinks. Thats pretty rare to me

I'd rather find the Henry1, had a couple of Henry11 shorty and about 4 Tealby, only one was any good

SS

 

[CSbrasshunter]

Well, put it this way. With the fledgling collection goes fledgling knowledge. The piece I'm calling HII is a quarter cut of a silver penny that I've even put a ? mark on the coin's folder. The ID is based on the second picture in the row of four on page 42 of "England's Striking History." The sceptre extends to the coin's edge and the eye has a distinct "circle" (for lack of better description) around it 1/2 of eye.

I'm no expert by any means. I've experience in American coinage, of course, but welcome any and all insight into the fascinating pieces! I've come up short bidding online for EIVs (such as Hodge's) and several others.

I'm to take my son to a Scottish festival today or I'd read the means by which we can post a picture. When we return this evening, if you gentlemen have a minute to take a peek, I'd certainly appreciate any comment on this piece!

Thank you for the comments and thoughts.

 

[CRUSADER]

Beautiful groat Hodge! I've got a fledgling hammered silver collection that ranges from Henry II to Charles I. But I've yet to pick up an Edward VI hammered of any type. Got HVIII and EI, but no EVI!

Congratulations!

Wow, are you sure you have a Henry II, they are pretty rare

You mean Henry1, don't you

SS

No, I've never had a shortcross. Had a couple of Telby (& these are collectable), shortcross start at £55 in F in Spinks. Thats pretty rare to me

I'd rather find the Henry1, had a couple of Henry11 shorty and about 4 Tealby, only one was any good

SS

In a way yes, but I crossed that one off last year with the only known type Recorded. So no-where to go on that one, but I have a space for a shorty

 

[Silver Searcher]

Beautiful groat Hodge! I've got a fledgling hammered silver collection that ranges from Henry II to Charles I. But I've yet to pick up an Edward VI hammered of any type. Got HVIII and EI, but no EVI!

Congratulations!

Wow, are you sure you have a Henry II, they are pretty rare

You mean Henry1, don't you

SS

No, I've never had a shortcross. Had a couple of Telby (& these are collectable), shortcross start at £55 in F in Spinks. Thats pretty rare to me

I'd rather find the Henry1, had a couple of Henry11 shorty and about 4 Tealby, only one was any good

SS

In a way yes, but I crossed that one off last year with the only known type Recorded. So no-where to go on that one, but I have a space for a shorty

If you hunted up here you would get one there are a lot of short x come from our sites.

SS

 

[CRUSADER]

Beautiful groat Hodge! I've got a fledgling hammered silver collection that ranges from Henry II to Charles I. But I've yet to pick up an Edward VI hammered of any type. Got HVIII and EI, but no EVI!

Congratulations!

Wow, are you sure you have a Henry II, they are pretty rare

You mean Henry1, don't you

SS

No, I've never had a shortcross. Had a couple of Telby (& these are collectable), shortcross start at £55 in F in Spinks. Thats pretty rare to me

I'd rather find the Henry1, had a couple of Henry11 shorty and about 4 Tealby, only one was any good

SS

In a way yes, but I crossed that one off last year with the only known type Recorded. So no-where to go on that one, but I have a space for a shorty

If you hunted up here you would get one there are a lot of short x come from our sites.

SS

Yeah, they seen really hard to get here, easier where Shaun's new hunting grounds are

 

[CSbrasshunter]

Also, quickly, the reverse is apparently long cross. But in the space between the outer edge where lettering rests, there is the accompanying ring of dots and inside where the three dots typically go is a six-pointed cross made up of three "sticks" crossing each other (like a modern Yamaha motorcycle emblem ).

For what it's worth, anyway. I realize this is naive. I do hope you more experienced collectors can bear with me.

 

[hodge]

Hi & many thanks for the comments on my coin (I was going to say Groat, but coin will suffice!).

As regards your Henry II, I've checked page 42 of Englands striking history, nothing there...do you mean page 44 as there are several illustrations on that page.

I've also had a look for H2 coins in SPINK, not too much there either...but there is this statement (and I quote) (commencing 1158) "A new coinage bearing Henry's name replaced the currency of the previous reign (King Stephen) which contained a high proportion of irregular and sub-standard pennies" (end quote)...Hence, and therefore, if your coin is 'irregular or sub-standard' then H2 is a prime candidate.
Good luck with your collection.

Hodge

 

[OldSowBreath]

I have created a mental Banner, and I have mentally placed this coin thereon. Congrats!You mesmerists out there may remote me to see it.

 

[hodge]

I have created a mental Banner, and I have mentally placed this coin thereon. Congrats!You mesmerists out there may remote me to see it.

Cheers....and which button on the remote would I need to use to see your mental banner...?

 

[CRUSADER]

Also, quickly, the reverse is apparently long cross. But in the space between the outer edge where lettering rests, there is the accompanying ring of dots and inside where the three dots typically go is a six-pointed cross made up of three "sticks" crossing each other (like a modern Yamaha motorcycle emblem ).

For what it's worth, anyway. I realize this is naive. I do hope you more experienced collectors can bear with me.

If you post a good picture we will give it a go

 

[CSbrasshunter]

Thanks so much, Hodge. These coins I find fascinating, if not somewhat expensive to purchase! And congratulations again on the coin!

I've re-checked my Striking History book and mine seems to be a soft cover 2006 edition. Could there be a difference there?

I'd matched to some degree the obverse with the illustrations listed under HII Short Cross coinage. However, looking at the piece tonight to take photos, I've noticed it appears to be a long cross.

I'm trying photos for the first time, so step back from the curb. I don't know where the brakes are on this thing yet.

Two are obverse, one reverse. Any ideas are most appreciated!

 

[DMN]

Geez, that's one good looking coin. Nice job on the find. Make sure you show us more soon. I do like trying to figure out the info, before I read the full descriptions you guys give. That picture is stellar and helps us Yanks here who rarely ever see anything older than pocket change!

 

[shaun7]

Thanks so much, Hodge. These coins I find fascinating, if not somewhat expensive to purchase! And congratulations again on the coin!

I've re-checked my Striking History book and mine seems to be a soft cover 2006 edition. Could there be a difference there?

I'd matched to some degree the obverse with the illustrations listed under HII Short Cross coinage. However, looking at the piece tonight to take photos, I've noticed it appears to be a long cross.

I'm trying photos for the first time, so step back from the curb. I don't know where the brakes are on this thing yet.

Two are obverse, one reverse. Any ideas are most appreciated!

Looks Scottish

 

[CSbrasshunter]

I've been researching Scottish hammered coins upon Shaun's thought. It may be an Alexander III, first issue, according to one stockist who carries an extensive line up of hammereds.

Thanks so much, Shaun! The puzzle may be solved!

 

[shaun7]

I've been researching Scottish hammered coins upon Shaun's thought. It may be an Alexander III, first issue, according to one stockist who carries an extensive line up of hammereds.

Thanks so much, Shaun! The puzzle may be solved!

You're welcome

How much did you pay for it...if you don't mind me asking?

 

[CSbrasshunter]

No, not at all. It came in one of those occassionally seen "lots" offered for auction online. This was a lot of 10 hammereds that I was interested in due to an obvious Elizabeth I half groat and what appeared to be a late Henry (V-forward?) coin in the group. In the lot, this cut farthing (?) was included. For the 10 pieces, I paid £16.

 

[shaun7]

No, not at all. It came in one of those occassionally seen "lots" offered for auction online. This was a lot of 10 hammereds that I was interested in due to an obvious Elizabeth I half groat and what appeared to be a late Henry (V-forward?) coin in the group. In the lot, this cut farthing (?) was included. For the 10 pieces, I paid £16.

That's not bad

A lot of work finding them coins only to get £16