Found in trash pit. 1800-1900. Louisiana trading area. Indian, CW, Early settler

[dg39]

dgjr told me to do this. He wants to know what it is. Its a museum mystery. Found near Red River in an old trade area where Indian artifacts, CW, Early settlers and who know what lived.. From a trash pit dig. The pit was about 4 foot or more around and we have dug to about 10 feet and still uncovering layers.

1. It is brass or an alloy of some type. Most likely brass.
2. 1/2 to 3/4 inches deep in concave part.
3. 5-3/8 inches in diameter. Inside hole is not quite 3/4 inches
4. How long will brass stay in the ground and decompose.
5. Only one other probable piece was found. 1-1/4 inches long with "v" hatch marks. slight curve.
6. Large section has line decoration around concave side.
7. I don't think it is the obvious.

Any other questions. I'm sending in two sections.

dgjr wants to know, and so do I..
Have at it.

DG

 

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[dg39]

Much , much, older blurr. I dont think so. But its a direction..Put your self 100 to 150 years ago, I would think..
DG

I believe you when you say it's old. I just meant that style of lamp, not one you would buy at home depot.

John

Understood. Just wanted to stay in the right direction.
Candle stick holder was the first thing I would have thought everyone would guess. I dont think so ..But show me...

 

[blurr]

Okay it looks like the inside may have held something sort of darkened and worn...Part of a bed warmer?

What would the hole in the middle be for?

John

 

[dg39]

Something went through it! Not necessarly in it?

 

[dg39]

K, part of a lamp. the upper part. why ? Because it appears to have traces of carbon on it.

The so called erosion is merely the copper that was part of the alloy, separating out.

Tropical Tramp

No visible wear , where the glass or bottom would fit. Too much of a slant on lip.
There was evidence of a fire in pit, so your corrosion idea is acceptable.

 

[blurr]

How about this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/BRASS-CARRIAGE-...oryZ1048QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Wrong direction or what?

John

 

[dg39]

 

[dg39]

Too shallow for that , I think John.I"m not ruling out anything though. This is not a test, I really dont know myself. I have one idea, but its just a bit far fetched in my mind. I explain later...
DG

 

[blurr]

Too shallow for that , I think John.I"m not ruling out anything though. This is not a test, I really dont know myself. I have one idea, but its just a bit far fetched in my mind. I explain later...
DG

I haven't a clue either, but give us a hint as to what you think it could be.


John

 

[Michelle]

8)

 

[dg39]

Michelle, thats the first conclusion i came to when i found it, but there is no lip in the bottom for a attachment to fit comfortable. The way the middle cone is shaped there could be no purchase, so to speak. I am not ruling it out though.
Look at it again carefully. It up sweeps to steep on the outside..Just my observation.
The lamp on the left is cobbled together. The one in the back is decorative. The one on the right is true period style.

 

[Michelle]

Michelle, thats the first conclusion i came to when i found it, but there is no lip in the bottom for a attachment to fit comfortable. The way the middle cone is shaped there could be no purchase, so to speak. I am not ruling it out though.
Look at it again carefully. It up sweeps to steep on the outside..Just my observation.

okay,i see what you mean

 

[Michelle]

end of a horn

 

[blurr]

Don't think the hole is big enough for a bugle or other horn.

John

 

[Michelle]

clear...

 

[Michelle]

This is a funnel.....moonshiners..Hey it has sideboards so you dont spill a drop!!!!

 

[Chagy]

Could this really be a "nut cracker"

 

[Michelle]

bulb cover for an old camera If its brass it doesnt decompose for a long time.It tarneshes unless it's very thin..brass plate metal decomposes quicker....answer #4 Okay...am I right about brass...

 

[dg39]

bulb cover for an old camera If its brass it doesnt decompose for a long time.It tarneshes unless it's very thin..brass plate metal decomposes quicker....answer #4 Okay...am I right about brass...

Did scratch test solid brass..I think RT may have something, when he mentioned fire would cause brass to decompose.. Some of the contents of the pit had been burned. Will not be by computer for a while. This evening if no progress is made will give my guess. i will admit I'm giving candle holder a second look, but...something is just not right for that.....

 

[dg39]

OK, could it be a hand guard for a rapier of dueling sword? Far out idea? I dont know?