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I'm not going to dwell on this but look at efforts to ban the sale of gas-powered vehicles and lawn equipment in California. NY banning new and renovated buildings from using gas. Efforts to close existing and block new oil refineries, etc., etc. Using everyone's tax dollars to build charging stations but not gas stations. There are lots of examples if you look.
I believe there was even a planned prohibition on new gas stations in California. That could be a rumor or simply a law that will go into affect long after our “leader” is no longer governor.
 
If the Strait of Hormus opens on Friday, price relief will soon be here.
Don in SoCal
But what do we do to avoid the crazy prices California we experienced compared to the rest of the country? There are stations up north still charging $7.49 a gallon for diesel!
 
But what do we do to avoid the crazy prices California we experienced compared to the rest of the country? There are stations up north still charging $7.49 a gallon for diesel!
Get your friends and families to vote different. That's the only cure.
 
Get your friends and families to vote different. That's the only cure.
My friends and family are not the problem. Living in a rural area, our vote does not amount to a hill of beans in California. Not to mention our representative is now located 235 miles south in the Bay Area thanks to redistricting. California has outgrown itself I think.
 
But what do we do to avoid the crazy prices California we experienced compared to the rest of the country? There are stations up north still charging $7.49 a gallon for diesel!
Teach All High School students, stay at home parents, Retirees and pretty much eveybody that these prices are due to deliberate speculation/ gambling with the consumer's minds and Deception to their logic!
 
Teach All High School students, stay at home parents, Retirees and pretty much eveybody that these prices are due to deliberate speculation/ gambling with the consumer's minds and Deception to their logic!
In my mind it’s due to manipulation of emotions relating to the environment AND a desire to control a single energy source. Wouldn’t you love to see the paper trail of the lobbying associated with these bills? Deceptive bill names directed towards ignorant voters. The “clean California bill” could be a bill to require that recycleable paper bags be replaced with thick oil based plastic bags for just a random theoretical example. Then throw on that businesses HAVE to charge for these bags and the money does not have to go towards anything but profit in order to quiet any protest from the business sector. We see it every time we vote.
 
In my mind it’s due to manipulation of emotions relating to the environment AND a desire to control a single energy source. Wouldn’t you love to see the paper trail of the lobbying associated with these bills? Deceptive bill names directed towards ignorant voters. The “clean California bill” could be a bill to require that recycleable paper bags be replaced with thick oil based plastic bags for just a random theoretical example. Then throw on that businesses HAVE to charge for these bags and the money does not have to go towards anything but profit in order to quiet any protest from the business sector. We see it every time we vote.
Yeah, names of initiatives and bills are used to make everything seem so complicated and " therefore that's why its expensive "
My US born Math teacher in 2000 said : If nuclear war should exterminate the world, A Lonely horseman rider in the Middle of Kazakhstan wouldn't care and would keep riding his horse "

Well probably my math teacher was wrong .....but at least sounds Convincing !

But hopefully we wouldn't have to " choose " between $ 7.49 a gallon and a Nuclear war.

I want No Nuclear war and a $ 3 a gallon !
But explain that to them
 
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Yeah, names of initiatives and bills are used to make everything seem so complicated and " therefore that's why its expensive "
My US born Math teacher in 2000 said : If nuclear war should exterminate the world, A Lonely horseman rider in the Middle of Kazakhstan wouldn't care and would keep riding his horse "

Well probably my math teacher was wrong .....but at least sounds Convincing !

But hopefully we wouldn't have to " choose " between $ 7.49 a gallon and a Nuclear war.

I want No Nuclear war and a $ 3 a gallon !
But explain that to them
We have the resources to accomplish that very thing! As well as beneficial use of gravity and sunshine.
 
in town here Still $4.299 as of monday
 
Solar and wind are not "clean" energy. The manufacturing of both types is extremely harmful to the environment as is the finished product. Also it takes diesel trucks and heavy machines to mine, manufacture & deliver/install the panels and windmills. I read somewhere that a Tesla has to run over 80 thousand miles to break even on its manufacturing and recharge footprint. I'm all for clean renewable energy, solar and wind are neither.
 
Solar and wind are not "clean" energy. The manufacturing of both types is extremely harmful to the environment as is the finished product. Also it takes diesel trucks and heavy machines to mine, manufacture & deliver/install the panels and windmills. I read somewhere that a Tesla has to run over 80 thousand miles to break even on its manufacturing and recharge footprint. I'm all for clean renewable energy, solar and wind are neither.
The NY Times rag even published a piece a few years back about how a Hummer is better than a Prius. Mainly due to the strip mining of lithium and its environmental impacts. Kind of funny since the greenpeace weirdos are usually the ones driving a Prius.
 
Solar and wind are not "clean" energy. The manufacturing of both types is extremely harmful to the environment as is the finished product. Also it takes diesel trucks and heavy machines to mine, manufacture & deliver/install the panels and windmills. I read somewhere that a Tesla has to run over 80 thousand miles to break even on its manufacturing and recharge footprint. I'm all for clean renewable energy, solar and wind are neither.
Also they spread out the grid which uses more materials and costs associated with maintenance. To build and maintain windmills roads have to be built to reach them which also need maintained. They are nothing but a scam. If this country really wanted to solve its energy issues we would build a bunch of small nuclear power plants.
 
Solar and wind are not "clean" energy. The manufacturing of both types is extremely harmful to the environment as is the finished product. Also it takes diesel trucks and heavy machines to mine, manufacture & deliver/install the panels and windmills. I read somewhere that a Tesla has to run over 80 thousand miles to break even on its manufacturing and recharge footprint. I'm all for clean renewable energy, solar and wind are neither.
I agree, but in my mind (personal) solar is essential in many areas because it provides stability for energy prices.

Gravity hydro power- generally provides additional benefits if environmental impacts are mitigated. Look at Norway and Sweden.

Wind - I think that’s a loser.
 
I Have No Issue With Solar, Other then The Theft By Power Companies
Who in My Understanding Give You Pennies on the Dollar for the Extra
power .

I Will Never Support Electric "firebombs" over Oil .
even if they Fix the Explosive Problems ! It Makes Cars Disposable !
Among Other Issues !

There Will Never Be an "antique" Or "Classic" Electric Car !

Windmills Kill Birds that Crap All Over :icon_thumright: that's OK By Me :coffee2:
When Birds Learn to Only Crap on Bird Lovers Properties I'll Change My Mind !
 
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Those currently in control because of wealth and power derived from GW/CC contributing fossil fuel based energy sources want to stay in control and wealthy, the planet and outlook for humanity be damned.
 
Solar and wind are not "clean" energy. The manufacturing of both types is extremely harmful to the environment as is the finished product.
There is no 100% clean way to make energy, and all methods have varying environmental impacts. But solar and wind are significantly cleaner than oil and coal, and otherwise have lower environmental impacts, even accounting for their life cycles. The nice thing about solar/wind/battery is that a lot of it is recyclable: the copper, silicon, lithium, etc all have high recyclability. When you burn oil and coal, it's gone forever, leaving behind a lot of nasties that have to be dealt with. Besides that, fossil fuels are dead-ends; they have an eventual expiration date, and the later we wait to deal with that the more expensive it will get.

I read somewhere that a Tesla has to run over 80 thousand miles to break even on its manufacturing and recharge footprint.
This is the worst-case scenario in a country like China, where coal is the dominant fuel for making the electricity that powers the car. In the US, the break-even point is around 14,000 miles.

I Have No Issue With Solar, Other then The Theft By Power Companies Who in My Understanding Give You Pennies on the Dollar for the Extra power .
Most states require power companies to buy back excess power at the full retail rate. I think this is misguided, they should only pay the wholesale rate. The difference between wholesale and retail is the money used to pay for the infrastructure.
 
There is no 100% clean way to make energy, and all methods have varying environmental impacts. But solar and wind are significantly cleaner than oil and coal, and otherwise have lower environmental impacts, even accounting for their life cycles. The nice thing about solar/wind/battery is that a lot of it is recyclable: the copper, silicon, lithium, etc all have high recyclability. When you burn oil and coal, it's gone forever, leaving behind a lot of nasties that have to be dealt with. Besides that, fossil fuels are dead-ends; they have an eventual expiration date, and the later we wait to deal with that the more expensive it will get.


This is the worst-case scenario in a country like China, where coal is the dominant fuel for making the electricity that powers the car. In the US, the break-even point is around 14,000 miles.


Most states require power companies to buy back excess power at the full retail rate. I think this is misguided, they should only pay the wholesale rate. The difference between wholesale and retail is the money used to pay for the infrastructure.
Some power companies get to have their cake and eat it too. They charge a daily fee to cover infrastructure and a per KW charge. Even then the KW charge is 10x the gen cost obvious from the disparity in residential rate v big user rate. Unless homes are subsidizing commercial users.

Data centers are testing this model.
 
Even then the KW charge is 10x the gen cost obvious from the disparity in residential rate v big user rate. Unless homes are subsidizing commercial users.
True, and that makes me rethink my position: For excess power back to the grid, credit the residential user at retail and the commercial user at wholesale.
 

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