Gold and Silver photo dowsing - this is only a test

[aarthrj3811]

Lets see now..They have tried the hoax card... http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/dowsing/336013-map-dowsing-hoax.html...That would include all the believe and spiritual stuff.. then comes all the stuff that we are to dumb to know that we are finding treasure...then comes the fake tests...Then along comes Johnny with getting rich from Randi the Magician...I sure wish they would assign some better skeptics to us...Art

 

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[Bigdogdad]

TO SKEPTICS OF DOWSING-Here is a challenge for you. Go to a few older professional plumbing companies. Ask them if there is anyone there that can find water pipes using bent clothes hangers. When they tell you they can I want you to tell them they are (choose one of the following)-a liar, scammer, fraud, a hoaxer, or to uneducated to know that it does not work. Also try this on city utilities workers. Please pick the biggest, meanest looking one that says he can use bent metal rods to locate pipes in the ground. After you conduct this survey using as scentific of a approach that you can, let us know your results. If you are not willing to do this please do not come on to the dowsing forum trying to educate us dummies that know no better. BTW I have a tested high IQ, a college degree, am a former army engineer, and have worked in construction for 34 years, I have talked to dozens upon dozens of people that dowse regularly (but don't even know it is called dowsing). I have my own L-rods. Even with all this experience I am not going to call myself an expert. So skeptics-accept my challenge or go away.

 

[Tnmountains]

I know dowsing works. I was a commercial Job Superintendent. Back ground in Engineering. We dowsed water lines in pvc all the time. Electricians dowse. If you are a skeptic it is because you have never been exposed to it. As far as dowsing pictures. I have no idea.

 

[Tnmountains]

Dowsers always fail, without exception, when the test is double-blind. But i do not agree with you that they all know they will fail: a few dowsers have submitted to proper testing (though they have always failed) and it is likely they believed dowsing works. Note that dowsing associations have warned members to avoid being tested, and warned against taking the JREF's million dollar challenge.

That test if you read it is for "spiritual mediums" which have nothing to do with dowsing. I just read the whole test on Wki. If it was just for dowsing alone, I think the million bucks would be long gone. Am I correct in this? Why can I dowse water lines?
I do not wish to de-rail or hi-jack this thread with my "opinions". Start a new thread if you wish but do not call members or people like me uneducated.
Thanks.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Desertphile, this is the dowsing forum, you are not required to believe in dowsing, but please do not go into a forum and attack and disrespect members in that forum because they do believe............

I personally can dowse waterlines, phone lines, cable lines, electricial lines....... Never tried doing any type of treasure but I do know for a fact it works on these types of utility lines....

 

[okiedowser]

I know dowsing works. I was a commercial Job Superintendent. Back ground in Engineering. We dowsed water lines in pvc all the time. Electricians dowse. If you are a skeptic it is because you have never been exposed to it. As far as dowsing pictures. I have no idea.

Tnmountains Glad you can dowse water line's,as for as picture it will be the same,take a picture over some water line's and try it,the signal will be on the film,the camera capture on film what we cannot see with are eye.

 

[vor]

Hello All
This thread was started at the request of a dowser that wanted to test if he could find gold and silver by dowsing a photo. I posted the photos for anyone to dowse. The gold and silver has yet to be dowsed correctly.

In regards to utility line dowsing, anyone with construction knowledge can ascertain their locations. Just look for the cleanouts, meters, poles with transformers, house floorplan, shutoff valves, first hose bib, weatherheads, disconnects, etc. If you can't tell where the utilities are locarted with this information, you shouldn't be in the construction business. Utility dowsing carries no weight. In fact, I was told that I photo dowsed pretty close on the photo posted on this thread..just by looking for where logic would have them.

On topic, I don't think anyone can photo dowse for silver or gold caches/drops.

In regards to placer gold, just throw a dart in a known placer area and start digging/dredging and you will find some. That is not the purpose of this thread/test.

As it stands; gold/silver photo dowsing is a bust.

Vor

 

[Bigdogdad]

Typical BS reply from a skeptic. When I and I am sure others, have dowsed for utility lines we did not look at any of the things you said ie; cleanouts, meters, etc, so your reply is irrelevant. As far as your test being a bust I have a question. If you recieved a dowsed photo from a T-Net member and he marked a couple of locations on it for gold and silver, did you thoroughly detect those spots? If not you certaintly can't call it a bust as you did not follow through.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~vor~
Hello All
This thread was started at the request of a dowser that wanted to test if he could find gold and silver by dowsing a photo. I posted the photos for anyone to dowse.

At the request from a skeptic web site.

The gold and silver has yet to be dowsed correctly.

My results were post and explained

In regards to utility line dowsing, anyone with construction knowledge can ascertain their locations. Just look for the cleanouts, meters, poles with transformers, house floorplan, shutoff valves, first hose bib, weatherheads, disconnects, etc. If you can't tell where the utilities are locarted with this information, you shouldn't be in the construction business. Utility dowsing carries no weight. In fact, I was told that I photo dowsed pretty close on the photo posted on this thread..just by looking for where logic would have them.

I just think that what you were told was in error.

On topic, I don't think anyone can photo dowse for silver or gold caches/drops.

That is incorrect and has been proved over and over on this board

In regards to placer gold, just throw a dart in a known placer area and start digging/dredging and you will find some. That is not the purpose of this thread/test.

Not a good practice if you want to find anything

As it stands; gold/silver photo dowsing is a bust.

Bye...Art

 

[vor]

Sorry Art:

The request was from this forum, posts 54 and 55.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/dowsing/329820-whats-dowser-3.html

I was not "told" anything in regards to utility dowsing. I have located utility lines in almost all cases that I have tried but without any magical dowsing power.

Here is your answer to the photos, which by the way was incorrect and just an excuse:

Sorry...I receive a signal on two of the three photo’s.It was to weak to be followed...It has either been removed or has not been there long enough...I will try again in a few years...Art

Contrary to your statements, I have yet to see proof.

Bye

Vor

 

[vor]

BDD
If someone is sent out to look for a utility line and they don't look for meters, cleanouts, etc., I sure wouldn't want them to be the one to dig up my yard. I would find someone with common sense.
Vor

 

[Bigdogdad]

BDD
If someone is sent out to look for a utility line and they don't look for meters, cleanouts, etc., I sure wouldn't want them to be the one to dig up my yard. I would find someone with common sense.
Vor

vor-Your method is basically an educated guess. Nothing wrong with that other than it is just a guess. What do you do then, started digging where you guess it is? A competent dowser can show you EXACTLY where the lines are. If you refuse to believe this you have never witnessed it or talked to long-time plumbers and utility workers that will leave their high dollar electronics in the truck and bring out some L-rods. Don't believe me? Go ask them. vor-Your wasting everybodies time on this. We are not going to change our minds. We know what we know. You on the other hand don't seem to know what to think hence your need to want to "test" the dowsers.

 

[vor]

BDD
We agree on one thing at least; that your mind is made up and no amount of evidence to the contrary can change it.

On the other hand, I know exactly what to think; science, reason and truth.

This thread was not about utilities. They have no value to me. This was about gold and silver dowsing and the verdict is in.

HH
V

 

[Bigdogdad]

vor-Self proclaimed witness, jury, judge. All map dowsers guilty of fraud as charged. All based on one half-baked poorly executed test performed over the internet no less. vor-did you check the location the map dowser marked? I bet you didn't.

 

[vor]

vor-Self proclaimed witness, jury, judge. All map dowsers guilty of fraud as charged. All based on one half-baked poorly executed test performed over the internet no less. vor-did you check the location the map dowser marked? I bet you didn't.

BDD
I have never accused anyone of fraud. I am just stating that it doesn't work. It is not only this thread, it is a fact that no known caches of silver or gold have been documented as found by dowsing. Sure, you can say they were never reported or make up some other excuse but facts don't lie. As far as the Atocha gold being located by your friend, it is purely hearsay whether you want to hear the truth or not. Nothing personal BDD so please don't take it that way.

Battery is charging and I will take a ride out to the back pasture tomorrow for you.

V

 

[Bigdogdad]

vor-I am going to let you think you have won. Does that make you feel better "proving" dowsing doesn't work? Now why don't you go away and leave the nice dowsers alone. Why don't you go after the UFO guys next?

T

 

[vor]

vor-I am going to let you think you have won. Does that make you feel better "proving" dowsing doesn't work? Now why don't you go away and leave the nice dowsers alone. Why don't you go after the UFO guys next?

T

UFO guys? I have seen many UFOs and would probably be on their side. I will have to check in on them.

I took a brisk morning ride out to the back pasture. Did about a 50' sweep around the "dowsed" area. Nothing.

FYI, it was a "nice dowser" that requested the test.

V

 

[Bigdogdad]

vor-You have seen many UFO's, so you believe them. I can accept that. After all, seeing is believing, right? We claim that we have witnessed dowsing work but yet that is not good enough for you. Have you ever attempted to eye witness a dowser attempting to locate things in person? Have you ever attempted to test a dowser in person? Be truthful. Are you just basing your disbelief on your own lack of ability or what you have read? BTW-How deep do you think your detector detects?

 

[aarthrj3811]

~vor~

I took a brisk morning ride out to the back pasture. Did about a 50' sweep around the "dowsed" area. Nothing.

What kind of rods did you use?...Art

 

[vor]

vor-You have seen many UFO's, so you believe them. I can accept that. After all, seeing is believing, right? We claim that we have witnessed dowsing work but yet that is not good enough for you. Have you ever attempted to eye witness a dowser attempting to locate things in person? Have you ever attempted to test a dowser in person? Be truthful. Are you just basing your disbelief on your own lack of ability or what you have read? BTW-How deep do you think your detector detects?

BDD
Just because I have seen UFOs, it is far from proof or even evidence or what they are. Just as your "seen" that it works is far from evidence or proof that it works.

If someone conducted a test by setting out a UFO, I could find it. Unlike photo dowsing for gold/silver that is set out.

I have not witnessed dowsing except for my grandfather and a couple of other old timers looking for water well locations.

The soil in the area is non-mineralized thin sandy soil over weathered clay/lime (caliche). I was using a minelab 705 w/stock coil so it would depend on the size of the target to guestimate the depth detection.

Like I have said, why aren't the gold dowsers sitting on a pile of gold Buried gold doesn't move much, unlike my lightning fast UFOs.

Aart
Everyone's a comic.

V