Good day

[HCW]

This is the 10th large copper I've dug on this property.
Nice Dandy button.
And what I think is a sword pommel? It's made of brass.any other ideas, let me know please .

 

[Mudflap]

Super find! good luck on finding it's past.

 

[CRUSADER]

PS...

I meant to add that guard looks like a "fencing" guard.

From size though it could be misleading me... could have been a small bladed item.

Here is a similar example of my first thought...

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Agreed the early designs where called Qullions.

 

[ARC]

Good new photos and info.

With that on first glance... I will go with a French... possibly Napoleonic era... small sword guard.

What kinda gets me in thought is.... the "roughness" of the cast.

1. It was crude to begin with.

2. It has suffered some form of corrosion due to time and elemental.

3. Its a repop... which I would find REALLY strange to be on the site you described... the odds of that are weird.


I will now do some research on it... for this is the sorta item that gets me on Tnet.

 

[ARC]

Ok after some preliminary research I saved some photos from online that "run similar".

I still have a problem with the general overall "look".

It looks like crude sandcast... pre finish work... which could be... could have been cast in that exact location and lost pre finish work.

If this is period piece ... regardless of condition... this would no doubt.. be a banner / stellar find.

I did some scanning through a few books... did some online searches in databases and un general pop stuff for similar... and came up short.

I will pass the ball for now ... hope someone else chimes in on this... for I am seriously curious on this one.

Unfortunately I do not have the luxury of spending a lot of time on any one thing these days.

Best of luck...

Oh this might have come from a "court sword"... I failed to mention that earlier.

ARC

 

[against the wind]

Great finds, you're on a hot site.
Congratulations

 

[Digger RJ]

Nice!!! Congrats!!!

 

[HCW]

Ok after some preliminary research I saved some photos from online that "run similar".

I still have a problem with the general overall "look".

It looks like crude sandcast... pre finish work... which could be... could have been cast in that exact location and lost pre finish work.

If this is period piece ... regardless of condition... this would no doubt.. be a banner / stellar find.

I did some scanning through a few books... did some online searches in databases and un general pop stuff for similar... and came up short.

I will pass the ball for now ... hope someone else chimes in on this... for I am seriously curious on this one.

Unfortunately I do not have the luxury of spending a lot of time on any one thing these days.

Best of luck...

Oh this might have come from a "court sword"... I failed to mention that earlier.

ARC

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Thank you for all that you have done much appreciated and now you've got me teased. I know what you mean time wants this is just a hobby. Life does go on

 

[Relicific]

That’s a great find
Congrats

 

[HCW]

Thank you all

 

[Red-Coat]

AARC just pointed me to this thread, which I hadn’t seen. My 4 penn’orth (2 cents):

No question that this is from a European smallsword and is a guard (not strictly a quillion, which more usually refers to crossguards and variations of them) of the kind generically called a ‘bilobe’.

The profile suggests it's from an ‘épée de cour’ which, although literally meaning a ‘dress sword’, evolved from the longer and heavier rapier as a more convenient weapon for personal defence… especially for those on a horse or riding in a carriage. A light weapon for one-handed thrusting. Self-respecting gentlemen or middle-class guys with pretensions to gentlemanly status would have worn one on a daily basis and they were at their height of popularity from the mid-17th Century through to the late 18th Century. I would say it’s sufficiently rococo in style to put it post-1730.

Lovely thing to find, even without the rest of it.

 

[ARC]

I kinda have been leaning towards a "patriotic" dress sword... or ceremonial sword actually... DUE TO... the busts.

 

[ARC]

RC... also.. as I pointed out... the "finish" is definitely off... for one reason or another it almost looks like a crude sandcasting... PRE finish work... almost like a "re-pop"... although this would be really weird coming out of OP's said location... it fits the period for sure... and I have never seen brass finished like that for the era... nor even seen brass eaten like that... And I am in FLORIDA... home of the corroded finds... salt reeks havoc and would not have ate that thing like this appears to be.

Anyway... with all that babble I will add... this is definitely an "odd" one.... the finish is really thrown me for a loop.

Had this been found in someone's back yard I will have prolly thought re-pop immediately.

 

[HCW]

Thanks again AARC and Red Coat.
This item was all of 7 or 8 " deep.
The interesting thing is that I posted an earlier find back in May from the same site of what I felt was a scabbard tip.

 

[HCW]

I'm trying to find a way of attaching the photo of the May scabbard tip thread.

 

[JeffInMass]

Great find and excellent discussion!

 

[ARC]

Thanks again AARC and Red Coat.
This item was all of 7 or 8 " deep.
The interesting thing is that I posted an earlier find back in May from the same site of what I felt was a scabbard tip.

Sounds like you need to go back asap and do some more detecting as well.

As far as adding the pic... someone better suited will help I am sure.

 

[A2coins]

Wow those are some sweet finds rip into there like a Monkey on a cupcake