Google Earth Anomalies for Dutch Hunters

[Steve Bowser]

Steve would absolutly know better than myself. I will note if you look at other years on GE and other imaging sources as well as lidar maps, you can clearly see that area is trees. The 2013-2016 GE images of that area do show the trees muted and more of a rock color. I could be wrong of course!
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Hey Geoff, here are some photos of my hike to that area. The next photo was taken on a different hike but shows the area in question. I came in from the left and turned around at the star.

The next three photos were taken where I stopped (Star) northeast to south, kind of a panorama if you patch them together. I think I was just above the ravine in your sat images.

I started in the morning from Tortilla Flat, went over Geronimo Head, took the Land Bridge to the northwestern area of Malapais and then took the western route around Malapais. I stopped to explore a lot along the way so I was pooped by the time I made it to the star on my first photo. I want to do this trip again but continue on around Malapais to Deering Canyon, up Deering to the top of Malapais and then back to Tortilla Flat in a big loop.

Hope these photos help.
Steve

 

[skyhawk1251]

Here's an area where I see disturbed ground, linear, geometric arrangements of rocks. Viewers should scan the entire area around the marker pin to see everything that looks possibly man-made. Viewing on a large monitor screen is best. I prefer setting GE's history slider to 2/2016 for better resolution.

 

[EDN]

Here's an area where I see disturbed ground, linear, geometric arrangements of rocks. Viewers should scan the entire area around the marker pin to see everything that looks possibly man-made. Viewing on a large monitor screen is best. I prefer setting GE's history slider to 2/2016 for better resolution.

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Looks like it could be man-made. Do you have any plans on going out there this winter to check?
What do you think it is? And why this place?
I looked around the same place and there looks like there could be other man-made structures too.

If you go out there, let us know what you find.

Thanks,

EDN

 

[skyhawk1251]

EDN -- A map drawn by Tom Kollenborn shows a "faint trail" leading up the east slope of Geronimo Head to the top. Cairns are indicated on his map. Those cairns could still be there, or they could have been destroyed after the map was made. I can't see the "faint trail", nor any cairns using Google Earth. Could that "faint trail" be the one followed by the Two Soldiers when they found themselves on a "high and rough mountain?" The trail they found led to an abandoned mine and a pile of rich ore.

 

[skyhawk1251]

Here's an interesting site discovered in an aerial photo by Robert Kesselring. The red box frames what looks like a rectangular shaft. Inside the yellow box is a rock-rimmed, circular pit with a cactus growing from the bottom. The orange box frames a rock-rimmed level area on a higher ledge.

This site, on a high, rock shelf in Deering Canyon, has the approximate GPS coordinates 33.48181, -111.36679. In the Google Earth images, the rectangular shaft is not visible. It is located north of the star placemark, immediately below the cliff face.

It looks like entering the mouth of Deering Canyon from LaBarge Canyon is impossible. The bottom of Deering Canyon at that point is completely clogged by trees and brush. If there was no thick vegetation, it would be a tight squeeze to pass through the rock pillars.

"Jacob described how the mine was high above facing the west. He said that the Mexicans were mining a shaft not easily found in very rough country and that they were in the process of building a stone house at the site. We found a site that matches all this and more. The mouth of Deering canyon is not far from Peters Trail on the Malapais just southwest of Pistol Canyon. As you descend you pass a cave, then you pass the house foundation. To reach the mine you must go back towards the house and return along the cliff wall, just as he wrote in his letter. This is a switchback. Following the switchback allows you to climb up to the wall of a sheer cliff along which there is a mine hidden by growth. As Jacob said, he would have had to show you the mine location and you would not find it easily. He had also said you could look down upon it but not get down to it that you had to enter the canyon as described." -- Robert Kesselring

 

[Cubfan64]

SpartanOC -- Those walls were reportedly built by the Salado people about 700 years ago. Consider the date of construction to be very approximate. Ancient native American sites such as this one are usually dated by artifacts that are found on-site. I doubt if many people living in the Phoenix area know about this place despite it being easily accessible.

Maybe not Phoenix, but most hikers and "explorers" in the Apache Junction, Queen Creek, Gold Canyon, Globe, etc... area are very familiar with these - quite easy to get to.

 

[BlackLine]

which letter?

"To reach the mine you must go back towards the house and return along the cliff wall, just as he wrote in his letter." -- Robert Kesselring

 

[skyhawk1251]

BlackLine -- I don't have the source of the letter mentioned by Mr. Kesselring. I can only refer you to the web page that summarizes his on-the-ground explorations.

https://www.desertusa.com/lost-dutchman/peralta-stones5/peralta-gold5.html

 

[BlackLine]

One aspect of Jacob's deathbed confession and a letter he purportedly wrote to Miguel Peralta

That explains it. thx

 

[skyhawk1251]

The anomaly in Deering Canyon, seen in an aerial photo by Robert Kesselring, is located on a ledge above the canyon floor. The GPS coordinates given by Mr. Kesselring are: 33.48181, -111.36679.

Getting to the ledge would most probably require rappeling skills, and once on the ledge travel would be treacherous. Entering the mouth of the canyon by way of LaBarge Canyon would also be difficult. The floor of the canyon is strewn with large boulders and covered by thick vegetation. According to Google AI, "Hiking in Deering Canyon is considered challenging due to the terrain and can include a passage through a cave. The destination is the confluence of a stream entering the main canyon."

Google Earth images below show the ledge, moving progressively eastward. An on-the-ground photo, looking down the canyon from above, also shows the ledge and a strange rock formation centered in the zoomed screenshot.

Anyone considering exploring Deering Canyon should go to the following link:

https://superstitionmountaintomkollenborn.blogspot.com/2008/01/escape-from-deering-canyon.html

 

[skyhawk1251]

More anomalies above Pistol Canyon. The anomaly in the second GE image is directly downslope from the anomaly in the first image.

 

[dredgernaut]

this is only visible for 1 year right after the woodbury fire

 

[dredgernaut]

another one

 

[skyhawk1251]

More anomalies at the location of the "strange trail", which is marked by the right, red star in the first GE image below.

 

[393stroker]

More anomalies at the location of the "strange trail", which is marked by the right, red star in the first GE image below.

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About 10 years ago I was determined to hike out and investigate some anomaly's out by Pinto creek. A Spanish cross in the middle of nowhere turned out to be a barbed wire fence post and a shiny reflection that turned out to be a quartz rock on a cattle trail that they walked on. One time out by Rogers I saw what looked like an ice chest so I climbed down to investigate, A wheel barrel and shovel next to remnants of a mining attempt.

 

[skyhawk1251]

393stroker -- For some reason, Google Earth seems to show things not as they are in the Superstitions, or I could say with less reliability than for other locales. Up in my neck of the woods, the reliability of GE seems to be much better, particularly for surface features in the Cerbats, where I've been able to compare GE images with on-the-ground observations.

Concerning the "strange trail" and anomalies nearby, GE seems to show the trail clearly and what could be a mine portal and mine dump, but the portal and dump could just be GE illusions. For the dump, my eyes are seeing two primary piles to the dump with a pathway between them. The material was not dumped evenly, thus making the dump piles look "hummocky." BTW, there is a hiking trail somewhat nearby, farther to the east, but it is not connected in any way to the "strange trail." The nearest spring to the area of interest is Kane Spring according to my topo map.

 

[SPARTANOC]

393stroker -- For some reason, Google Earth seems to show things not as they are in the Superstitions, or I could say with less reliability than for other locales. Up in my neck of the woods, the reliability of GE seems to be much better, particularly for surface features in the Cerbats, where I've been able to compare GE images with on-the-ground observations.

Concerning the "strange trail" and anomalies nearby, GE seems to show the trail clearly and what could be a mine portal and mine dump, but the portal and dump could just be GE illusions. For the dump, my eyes are seeing two primary piles to the dump with a pathway between them. The material was not dumped evenly, thus making the dump piles look "hummocky." BTW, there is a hiking trail somewhat nearby, farther to the east, but it is not connected in any way to the "strange trail." The nearest spring to the area of interest is Kane Spring according to my topo map.

Skyhawk1251

Which Kane Spring? There are 7 of them according to GE.
SpartanOC

 

[393stroker]

393stroker -- For some reason, Google Earth seems to show things not as they are in the Superstitions, or I could say with less reliability than for other locales. Up in my neck of the woods, the reliability of GE seems to be much better, particularly for surface features in the Cerbats, where I've been able to compare GE images with on-the-ground observations.

Concerning the "strange trail" and anomalies nearby, GE seems to show the trail clearly and what could be a mine portal and mine dump, but the portal and dump could just be GE illusions. For the dump, my eyes are seeing two primary piles to the dump with a pathway between them. The material was not dumped evenly, thus making the dump piles look "hummocky." BTW, there is a hiking trail somewhat nearby, farther to the east, but it is not connected in any way to the "strange trail." The nearest spring to the area of interest is Kane Spring according to my topo map.

There are trails made by and used by the animals out there. I learned to follow the animal trails to climb up the hills since they already found the easiest way. A lot of the holes that look like maybe they could be a mine are natural. Here`s one pic of a hole/cave about 1 mile N. of Angel Spring that I want to check out, I think mountain lions might live there though because I had a run in with one outside my tent in that area one time.

 

[skyhawk1251]

Skyhawk1251

Which Kane Spring? There are 7 of them according to GE.
SpartanOC

Kane Spring is inside the red box. Peter's Trail is easily seen using Google Earth. I see the "strange trail" as being as clearly defined as Peter's Trail. As far as mine dumps are concerned, my thinking is that anyone who wants to keep a mine portal as hidden as possible would not dump lighter colored diggings on top of darker colored rocks that surround the portal; doing that would draw attention to the portal. It would be better to dump the diggings where they would not be as easily noticed, and in a convenient place where the diggings could be processed.

 

[skyhawk1251]

There are trails made by and used by the animals out there. I learned to follow the animal trails to climb up the hills since they already found the easiest way. A lot of the holes that look like maybe they could be a mine are natural. Here`s one pic of a hole/cave about 1 mile N. of Angel Spring that I want to check out, I think mountain lions might live there though because I had a run in with one outside my tent in that area one time.

That is some "rough country" in your photo. Dutch hunters should also be warned that nasty critters are capable of climbing almost vertical cliffs at full speed, and they can appear in totally unexpected places.