Got my 1804 draped bust dime back from the gradeing company, disappointed to say the least!!

[Dr Plugs]

Hi all, I posted the other day that I sent my coin to the graders, I hadent got it back yet but they emailed me tracking info and grade results. It got a VG10.

I recieved the coin today and was disappointed, it came back with a grade of VG10, but details, corroded, and cleaned. This coin was never cleaned, I keep a spray bottle of water with me to spray the dirt off and let them air dry.

The coin actually looks worse now than it did when I sent it in my opinion. I wasn't looking to sell, but just wanted to know what I had. The one pic is of the coin the day I took it out of the cardboard flip to send it in, and the other is what I recieved. Maybe it's just in my head but looks strange to me.

 

[pepperj]

Hi all, I posted the other day that I sent my coin to the graders, I hadent got it back yet but they emailed me tracking info and grade results. It got a VG10.

I recieved the coin today and was disappointed, it came back with a grade of VG10, but details, corroded, and cleaned. This coin was never cleaned, I keep a spray bottle of water with me to spray the dirt off and let them air dry.

The coin actually looks worse now than it did when I sent it in my opinion. I wasn't looking to sell, but just wanted to know what I had. The one pic is of the coin the day I took it out of the cardboard flip to send it in, and the other is what I recieved. Maybe it's just in my head but looks strange to me.

Need a better picture of the one in the graded holder.
It's really hard to see it clearly.

 

[Dr Plugs]

Need a better picture of the one in the graded holder.
It's really hard to see it clearly.

Here's a better one, sorry for the crappy cell phone pics.

 

[pepperj]

Here's a better one, sorry for the crappy cell phone pics.

It certainly toned dark.
Wondering even if it's the same coin.

 

[achanceforgold]

It certainly toned dark.
Wondering even if it's the same coin.

I agree, maybe they swapped coins on you

 

[l.cutler]

Dug coins almost always get a cleaned designation, I think it's the hairline scratches just from soil movement over time. Older silver coins also darken over time once they are dug. Anacs is a very reputable company, one of if not the oldest third party graders, there is no chance the coin was switched. It's a fantastic coin, and fairly graded, no reason to be disappointed. This one is actually nicer than most still in existence!

 

[Dr Plugs]

Dug coins almost always get a cleaned designation, I think it's the hairline scratches just from soil movement over time. Older silver coins also darken over time once they are dug. Anacs is a very reputable company, one of if not the oldest third party graders, there is no chance the coin was switched. It's a fantastic coin, and fairly graded, no reason to be disappointed. This one is actually nicer than most still in existence!

I definitely agree on it being the same coin, it's just looked toned darker, just looked wierd to me.

 

[rhedden]

First of all, I must have missed your thread about digging an 1804 dime, so you deserve a major congratulations! This coin is scare and desirable enough that it's difficult to even find one for sale, never mind dig one. What a great find!

Now about the grade - it does look like the obverse has better than VG10 detail to me. For coins with surface problems (what they call "environmental damage") due to burial, I sometimes see conservative Details grades attached to the holder. I'd need to see a clear photo of the back side to understand why it was not given a Fine details rating. Is there a scratch, corrosion, etc. on the reverse?

That being said, here's a PCGS Fine details 1804 dime that is up for auction at Great Collections. The obverse of this coin is inferior to yours (in the cardboard holder) in terms of details. The coin in the graded holder is the same coin with different lighting. The position of the black stains match the coin in the cardboard holder. It's just harder to get a photo of a coin once it's in the slab.

https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...me-13-Stars-Reverse-PCGS-Genuine-Fine-Details

 

[Gare]

How much does it cost to get a coin graded ?

 

[SSR]

On a rare dug colonial don't bother to get it graded. The designations will disappoint the owner and turn prospective buyers off who might otherwise see it as being quite pleasing to the eye. If you were looking to shop yourself around don't put a shirt on describing all your flaws.

These dug rarities trade on their rarity and eye appeal.

 

[Dr Plugs]

First of all, I must have missed your thread about digging an 1804 dime, so you deserve a major congratulations! This coin is scare and desirable enough that it's difficult to even find one for sale, never mind dig one. What a great find!

Now about the grade - it does look like the obverse has better than VG10 detail to me. For coins with surface problems (what they call "environmental damage") due to burial, I sometimes see conservative Details grades attached to the holder. I'd need to see a clear photo of the back side to understand why it was not given a Fine details rating. Is there a scratch, corrosion, etc. on the reverse?

That being said, here's a PCGS Fine details 1804 dime that is up for auction at Great Collections. The obverse of this coin is inferior to yours (in the cardboard holder) in terms of details. The coin in the graded holder is the same coin with different lighting. The position of the black stains match the coin in the cardboard holder. It's just harder to get a photo of a coin once it's in the slab.

https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...me-13-Stars-Reverse-PCGS-Genuine-Fine-Details

Here is a pic of the back.

 

[Dr Plugs]

I had right at $200.00 getting this coin graded, but I had it covered with higher than normal insurance. The gradeing itself was $79.00 but I did the 2 day.

 

[Jeff H]

Look like 2 different coins. The graded coin appears to be very scratched, where the one in the cardboard flip isn't at all.

 

[Drew61]

Still a great coin anyone would be overjoyed to find!

 

[jrf30]

I'd probably take it OUT of the graded slab. If you keep it, then keep it in the slab, but if you ever sell, it is worth more as a cook looking dug find than as a VG10 coin. IMHO

 

[Trezurehunter]

Even if you spray it with water or rinse it under the sink, all of the grading coins will consider it cleaned.

 

[DoctorBurnzy]

First of all, this is an amazing find!. I have an 1804 dime that straight-graded at AG 03. Most collectors want a straight-grade coin over a details coin. However, when you're dealing with a coin that is this scarce and rarely seen in a year on an auction block or major show, such as the 1804 draped bust dime, then one takes what they can get (condition-wise) when they hit the market unless they happen to be the uber rich an can afford a $60,000 - $200k example for their collection. I'd expcect to get $3,800 - $4,300 for this coin (from a collector not a dealear). I'd ask for $5k though due to its rarity....and if I got offered 4k or more I'd take it. Ten years ago, I'd say it was worth half that. So, if you don't have to sell it, then it's a keeper.

It's been cleaned from over 200+ years of dealing with the elements from the weather. Corrosion is just part of the game with coins found in the ground. Basically, most coins that have been found in the ground will get a details grade. That being said, this is still an AMAZING FIND. CONGRATS! Any collector would be proud to have an 1804 draped bust dime in their collection.

 

[FreeBirdTim]

Even if you spray it with water or rinse it under the sink, all of the grading coins will consider it cleaned.

Not always true. I dug an 1878 CC seated dime in 2023 and lightly cleaned it with dish soap and water. I had ANACS grade it and it came back an EF-45 with no qualifiers. Eventually sold it for $475 on eBay.