gun parts, trigger guard and butt plate and unknown found on riverbank near 1812 fort

[canoeguy45887]

UNKNOWN identified by BosnMate as a Native American tinkle cone. Thank You.


anyone recognize what type of gun these are from? thanks

 

[BertC]

anyone recognize what type of gun these are from? thanks <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=925296"/>

What state did you find them in? The trigger guard appears to be a Winchester design.
Any inscription on the butt plate?

 

[BertC]

Maybe a from a Stevens too? I'll talk with some friends and get back to you.

 

[smokeythecat]

The bullets in the photo are not 1812 vintage, they are much later if that helps.

 

[canoeguy45887]

northwest ohio, no inscriptions all 3 made of brass, in the one pic you can see that the trigger guard is broke off also, found all 3 pieces within 4 foot musket balls were also recovered in the same vicinity as well as all these other relics, any ideas on some of these other items

 

[kuger]

you have several horse bits,the end off a singletree(hook)what appears to be a lid lifter from a wood stove.....your trigger guard is similar to any number of early Fowlers or even pistols,if it was found with the buttplate I reckon that rules out pistol...going to be be fairly tough to nail them down

 

[BosnMate]

you have several horse bits,the end off a singletree(hook)what appears to be a lid lifter from a wood stove.....your trigger guard is similar to any number of early Fowlers or even pistols,if it was found with the buttplate I reckon that rules out pistol...going to be be fairly tough to nail them down

In addition the butt plate could be off an Indian Trade musket. Note the picture. Most Indian Trade Muskets had iron butt plates that were nailed on around the outside edges, and iron trigger guards, but there were some with brass furniture. Your trigger guard is broken, but there is enough to know it's not off a Brown Bess or even an Enfield as late as the Civil War. I say it's not off those because there is no hole for the sling swivel, and no rusted away sling swivel, so if the trigger guard was found in conjunction with the butt plate I'd say it's off an Indian Trade Musket. One more thing that gives me the idea that you have trade musket parts is the copper cone you found. That's not a gun part, that's a decoration off an Indian item or clothing. Check out this site: Tinkle Cones | The Materials of History, Thought, and Art

Here is a brass butt plate on a reproduction trade musket. Keep in mind the repro's and based on original.
Besides the butt plate, note the serpent side plate. If you find one of those you know for sure what you have, those were on the majority of trade muskets.
Another photo of a butt plate.

An example of a nailed on butt plate on an original, butt plate is brass.

 

[canoeguy45887]

thanks for the info all,

BosnM ate; thank you for solving my unknown, native American tinkle cone, indian trade musket is a very interesting thought as the area is also close to an old native American village,(see post in native American artifact thread) even thought to have been visited by early Spanish explorers.. which made me think about my next reply because of your reply to my other thread, (thanks for that also)

 

[canoeguy45887]

and this makes it more interesting as this was found within 50 ft.




could this be possibly a Spanish trade item and not American?