has anyone actually read the 23 proposals about guns?

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Obama executive orders vastly empower psychiatry while gutting patient rights.

January 19th, 2013

(NaturalNews) – The history of psychiatry has been one of egregious abuses against its patients. The several-hundred year history of the state mental hospital system is proof of that. Until the states found the giant lockups too expensive and began arbitrarily throwing the inmates out, millions of people were deprived of their liberty and all human amenities, humiliated, abused, and finally tortured with treatments like lobotomy, insulin comma, and shock treatment. The only reason we don’t have thousands of lobotomies being perpetrated yearly in America today is that I took several years out of my life to fight against organized psychiatry to stop the return of psychosurgery in the early 1970s.

Psychiatry has always sought increasing control over its patients and resisted any attempt to increase patient rights. Although the size of the state hospitals has declined, organized psychiatry has found another way to treat people against their will. Untold numbers of citizens in 44 states are subjected to outpatient commitment. They can live in their own homes and walk about in the community, but if they don’t show up at the clinic for their regular long-acting shots of brain-paralyzing antipsychotic drugs, they can be forced back into the hospital or thrown down and injected with drugs inside their homes.

In the last several decades, psychiatry has joined forces with the pharmaceutical industry and the result is the mass drugging of adults and children. With a huge influx of money from the drug companies, psychiatry has enormously increased its influence in the government and society.

I previously have written a blog describing the already enormous capacity of psychiatry to lock up people against their will. In a feature that will follow this one on these pages of naturalnews.com, I will describe the history of psychiatry’s thirst for power and the abuses it has perpetrated. Now President Obama’s executive orders require me to stop for a moment to examine how these orders, heavily influenced by the Psychopharmaceutical Complex, will continue to swell the power of psychiatry and the drug industry.

President Obama issued a set of 23 executive orders Jan. 16, 2013 that vastly empower psychiatry. This great expansion of psychiatric authority and power will ensure that organized psychiatry and the mental health establishment will not resist other presidential executive orders that greatly impair the free and effective practice of psychiatry, psychotherapy, and all of healthcare.

Order 23 is “Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.” Even more than the “Decade of the Brain,” from the 1990′s, this new dialogue will push power to psychiatry and the pharmaceutical industry. The dialogue will be a national PR campaign on behalf of psychiatry and the pharmaceutical industry.

Executive orders number 20-23 are another psychiatric marketing dream come true. Number 20 orders, “Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.” Number 21 directs, “Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA [Affordable Care Act] exchanges.” The Affordable Care Act is Obamacare, and the exchanges are the health insurance exchanges that are supposed to be established under the ACA. And Order 22 states, “Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.”

Before you imagine that these three commandments will make counseling and psychotherapy more available and affordable, think of Medicare or Medicaid. We will have more coverage for psychiatric drug prescriptions and for 5 or 10 minute med checks, the financial staples of the drug companies and psychiatry. The above three orders to enforce parity ensure a growingpsychiatric establishment in America.

Order number 2 will break open to the feds the accumulating and soon to be vast federal data system for personal medical records: “Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.” Another order, number 4, will broaden the categories of individuals who can be investigated and whose privacy can be invaded. It orders, “Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.”

If you think that this destruction of privacy within American healthcare will end with providing information for gun ownership background checks, you are simply unrealistic. This kind of power does nothing but make itself grow at every possible opportunity.

Two other Presidential executive orders move us yet closer to turning the healthcare system into a spy network. Number 16 directs, “Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes” and number 17 orders, “Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.”

The last two directives have immediately undermined whatever privacy protections there were under federal HIPPA regulations, which were established federally to protect individual patient privacy. What the President now permits with his orders will soon be codified into law. Doctors and other health care providers will be burdened with spy duties, gathering information on gun possession and reporting anyone suspected by them of being potentially violent.

For those who do not practice psychiatry, I can confirm that any given time I will usually be treating at least one person who is potentially violent and perhaps two or three. In my entire career, not one of my patients has committed a serious act of violence, but that’s in part because my patients feel relatively free to discuss their violent feelings with me. All of that has been changed overnight by Obama’s executive orders. As of now, potential patients will begin to realize that President Obama has given the word to healthcare providers that they are under a moral, if not a legal obligation to start reporting potential violence. He’s made clear that it’s a public safety necessity for them to do so.

During the time I’ve been in practice since 1968, laws have come into place requiring a variety of healthcare providers and educators, depending on the state, to report any suspicion or threat of child abuse. These laws are well intended and probably work well in school settings where teachers can observe children with bruises or other signs of abuse. But in the practice of medicine and in particular psychiatry and psychotherapy, patients no longer talk to their healthcare providers about it when they feel afraid that they might commit abuses against children. I specifically remember, before these laws were active, talking with my patients about their abusive fantasies or tendencies, and helping them to overcome them. That doesn’t happen anymore. Individuals struggling with a compulsion to commit child abuse no longer talk about it with healthcare providers.

The following can easily happen in psychotherapy and has happened to me on several occasions. A patient is suicidal, so you naturally ask if they have access to a gun. In one case, the patient actually gave me his gun, which I gave to the police, and he did not commit suicide. On another occasion, a very suicidal patient, following my urging to dispose of his gun, dismantled and destroyed his weapon. Commonly families of suicidal patients are asked to remove guns from the home of patients struggling with suicidal or violent feelings.

Now imagine this alternative scenario: A patient has a gun, and is suicidal, but is afraid to tell his therapist for fear the therapist will write it down or worse, report him to the authorities. He keeps the existence of the gun a secret, never gets to discuss it, which creates a much greater possibility that he will end up shooting himself.

Psychiatry and the mental health establishment will not resist Obama’s call for doctors to police their patients. Psychiatry has never favored any efforts to increase the rights of citizens or patients. For example, it has fought all attempts to give patients the right to refuse treatment. It has supported laws to force outpatients to take drugs even when released to live in the community. Psychiatry has never shied away from taking on more power. It actively seeks increasing power and authority. The President is handing so much more power to psychiatry through these executive orders that my colleagues will never bite the hand that is feeding them by criticizing any of his policies.

Welcome to the new Orwellian world of psychiatry and psychotherapy.

About the author:
Peter R. Breggin, MD is a psychiatrist in private practice in Ithaca, New York. Dr. Breggin criticizes contemporary psychiatric reliance on diagnoses and drugs, and promotes empathic therapeutic relationships. He has been called “the Conscience of Psychiatry.” See his website at Psychiatric Drug Facts with Dr. Peter Breggin - HOME

Source: Natural News
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Cut and paste job, eh...?
 

Jim Brady, who sustained a debilitating head wound in the attack, and his wife, Sarah, came to Capitol Hill to push for a ban on the controversial "large magazines." Brady, for whom the law requiring background checks on handgun purchasers is named, then met with White House press secretary Jay Carney. During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, "to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda," she said.
"I just want you to know that we are working on it," Brady recalled the president telling them. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."


Read more: Obama: We're Working on Gun Control 'Under the Radar' | Guns | Fox Nation
 

thanks red,I just went back to the first page to try and bring this thread back into focus
and when I returned you had already posted.
 

Time out, everybody, and ponder this--this thread is about the "23 executive orders"--They are UNAVAILABLE for the public to read. What is being presented is a "fact sheet" or "talking points", as they are known. they are a spin on whatever the actual executive orders may be. go ahead, google it. If anyone can find the actual texts of the executive orders, please provide the link. This thread was created to once again provide DISINFORMATION which is how the liberal agenda is pursued.
 

Cut and paste job, eh...
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You wanted proof you got it.If you thought i was going to take the time to read it then write it out in my own words just so you can ask for more proof you are sadly mistaken.:sign10:
 

Time out, everybody, and ponder this--this thread is about the "23 executive orders"--They are UNAVAILABLE for the public to read. What is being presented is a "fact sheet" or "talking points", as they are known. they are a spin on whatever the actual executive orders may be. go ahead, google it. If anyone can find the actual texts of the executive orders, please provide the link. This thread was created to once again provide DISINFORMATION which is how the liberal agenda is pursued.
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You are correct ray,i read that a short time ago,they cant even be found in the white house website.
 

reb its been too long since ive read or studied anything on martial arts,it was meant for a quick reprieve.
 

how does that old old plan go?control education,healthcare........and whats the third?
 

Rebel, I read it different. I think the Bill of Rights as it is known indicates that they felt these "rights" were "God-given". I know that's not a popular term these days, especially here, but that still doesn't dismiss the fact that that's what they considered them. I feel they felt listing these rights and making them part of the constitution was VERY IMPORTANT; not just a second thought. They knew lawyer-types could use their absence from the constitution as a sign of them not being a "legal" right. I just wish they had considered the unborn as equal and endowed with rights. Can't hold that against them though, how were they to envision the "me" generation?
 

bevo said:
true stockpicker,hitler hated the commies.but is there any question on murder mayhem,spying and control?
I read that saddams heros were hitler and stalin.Is there any comparison?
wasnt it Patton that said we should just keep marching right on past berlin and into
moscow?reminds me of Schwarzkopf.
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Definitely agree that hitler was a monster - just not a communist monster. That was Stalin.

People should also not confuse what the Soviet Union was doing with "real Marxist communism". Early on the true communist were murdered off and the totalitarianists took over. Communism espouses a system were means of production is owned by workers who all benefit equally from production. It is a flat class system and one of many many "utopian" type structures that have been tried over the years.

I study and collect items produced by the religious group called the Shakers here in the US. They were "communists" as members pooled their money and belongings and all worked together for the benefit of the shaker society. It's actually not a bad system.

But like all socio / political system power corrupts and you get whackos like Stalin who rule with a terrible iron fist. That is not communism or socialism but is totalitarianism. One should not confuse.
 

dieselram94 said:
Rebel, whatever you want to call it he is trying to take guns away.........
Just think, any kind of mental diagnosis opens the door for confiscation......
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DieselRam: I think you misread the agenda. Mental health has consistently been under reimbursed by insurance companies. Thus, doctors are less likely to see and help these people. The parity laws would mean that mental health doctors get paid the same amount of money for the same amount of work as the rest of the medical field. These seems reasonable to me. I know you well enough to know that you would not disagree.
 

No wonder he got elected president. Must have been "the luck of the Irish."
 

Red,

Me thinks you've boxed yourself in a corner dude...lol...

Here's a tune to cheer you up.....enjoy!



Red James cash said:
I dont believe I have to seeing as how you falsely accuse me.You falsely accused me in another thread also and when you didnt get your way you deleted all your posts in said thread.I have posted the same stuff since I have been a member here,before you became a member here.I'm not going to change just to suit you and your wants and needs.You may control your patients but,youre not controlling me.
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Red,

I hope you realize you're turning yourself into a complete laughing stock....lol....

A little tune to cheer you up.....

 

Come on guys - lets not make it personal. That's bad form in any debate / discussion. Let all make our points and respect the other person - that's the fun of any discussion. Get personal and its like a grade school play ground.
 

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