Helping a friend

NC field hunter · Aug 28, 2012

A friend of mine busted his boat prop, and needed one that I had. He traded me this Celt for it. He said his grandfather found it working on railroad tracks. Does this look reasonable or fake?

Thanks!!

theonlinefisherman · Aug 30, 2012

I need to see it sideways, and I would love a real close-up of the scratchings. I like pieces that have been done on old rock. I am a tussinger addict. But even from what I can see there seems to be some level of patina on that scratch. But can we see a side view?? And a really close close-up of the bird scratchings.

Defacing old rock to make it look more "Indian" was common for a while. Especially in the forties. It is what tussinger ended up doing. He obviously found a cache, and made them eccentric. But analysis says the original blades were Paleo. And very skinny. He rechipped at least 800 pieces. Imagine THAT cache in its original state? It makes me shiver lol.

I might spend the $30 and have it papered. I would bet the base material is old. How old is impossible to say. Some of you know this stuff way more than me. But I have farming tools from where my wife lived in Woodstock and Hurley and upstate new York that could be 1000 years old and could be seven. And that looks like something used for either agriculture or food preparation or something similar. And in the case of tussinger I have seen his blades draw almost $600 in a 72-hour eBay bid. Known rechipped stuff. And $600. But Mack was considered the father of modern knappers, and that ain't no tussinger lol.

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NC field hunter · Aug 30, 2012

theonlinefisherman said:
I need to see it sideways, and I would love a real close-up of the scratchings. I like pieces that have been done on old rock. I am a tussinger addict. But even from what I can see there seems to be some level of patina on that scratch. But can we see a side view?? And a really close close-up of the bird scratchings.

Defacing old rock to make it look more "Indian" was common for a while. Especially in the forties. It is what tussinger ended up doing. He obviously found a cache, and made them eccentric. But analysis says the original blades were Paleo. And very skinny. He rechipped at least 800 pieces. Imagine THAT cache in its original state? It makes me shiver lol.

I might spend the $30 and have it papered. I would bet the base material is old. How old is impossible to say. Some of you know this stuff way more than me. But I have farming tools from where my wife lived in Woodstock and Hurley and upstate new York that could be 1000 years old and could be seven. And that looks like something used for either agriculture or food preparation or something similar. And in the case of tussinger I have seen his blades draw almost $600 in a 72-hour eBay bid. Known rechipped stuff. And $600. But Mack was considered the father of modern knappers, and that ain't no tussinger lol.

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Here is the "bit" . I'll get a close up of the engraved bird in a little bit for you.

rock · Aug 30, 2012

Looks like a Celt now! Nice bit on it and you probably wont see any hafting scares on it. Celts were mostly inserted into a handle with the handle showing on top as well bottom being longer. The ones in my area were used for wood working like canoes. Some were never used but for show only.

NC field hunter · Aug 30, 2012

rock said:
Looks like a Celt now! Nice bit on it and you probably wont see any hafting scares on it. Celts were mostly inserted into a handle with the handle showing on top as well bottom being longer. The ones in my area were used for wood working like canoes. Some were never used but for show only.

I thought adze bits were wood working tools. They were wrapped, and had curvature to the bit. I have a few, and some celts just like the one posted. Just no thunder bird. I have one Celt that is huge. I would post it, but, I think these guys out for me.

rock · Aug 31, 2012

I think and I might be wrong that Adze were used like a chisel and Celts were hafted. At least the ones I have seen redone on the net. I only have 1 Adze that I have found. On the view of a hafted Celt the small end would go into the handle and the bit used for wood. Kinda like a ax we use now days. These type of tools are my lowest knowledge area.

NC field hunter · Aug 31, 2012

rock said:
I think and I might be wrong that Adze were used like a chisel and Celts were hafted. At least the ones I have seen redone on the net. I only have 1 Adze that I have found. On the view of a hafted Celt the small end would go into the handle and the bit used for wood. Kinda like a ax we use now days. These type of tools are my lowest knowledge area.

The adze was a wood worker I know. Hey, here are the pics you wanted!

Age_old · Aug 31, 2012

NC field hunter said:
The adze was a wood worker I know. Hey, here are the pics you wanted!

<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=669915"/>

<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=669916"/>

<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=669917"/>

Wow man, killer points! Occasion 14!!!!