History Channel - Oak Island mini series January 5, 2014

[rowanns]

I think the coin was probably planted, likely by a local.

I love maritimers, but they're a crafty bunch, and it's certainly within the scope of their initiative to toss an old but low-value coin (and only one) into an area that they know is being targeted.

If the owners, or film crew, had planted it they'd have chosen something more valuable.

I was pretty excited about this series, because I've been fascinated by Oak Island since I was a kid, but it turned out to be rather lame, the labors of the brothers being nothing compared to earlier hunts.

With all due respect, as an eleventh generation Nova Scotian, I always love it when my fellow Canadians say "I love Maritimers, but..." That usually means at some point someone is about to slag us off. Listen, you have no proof in saying that the coin was planted by a local - none. Heck, no one has any proof that it was planted at all frankly.

You use the word "crafty" but the word you really should be using is secretive. We don't go around making it a point to intentionally deceive anyone, but we don't share information readily. And frankly, around here we have better things to worry about and do than figure out how to get on the island under the nose of the crew and toss an old Spanish coin into a swamp. That's just the plain and simple truth of the matter.

 

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[burlbark]

Watch the show over again and tell me that you dont see all the earmarks of a cheater planting the coin.

And once again we must remind ourselves that this was an estuary and the coin would have sunk to the bottom and there is no way it was found under legitimate circumstances.

 

[rowanns]

Now that the show is over I'm feeling more that there was never anything there or there might have been something there, but it was removed long ago. Personally I think the most romantic theory has to do with Templars, the Grail or the Ark and codes left perhaps for a secret society, tasked to protect what was there, came in and moved it.

However, that sounds more like a plot for another National Treasure film. Any screenwriters here?

The general consensus around these parts is that if there was something there, it has been completely messed up by the multiple holes dug and the general and complete mess made of the area surrounding the original Money Pit.

I don't think whatever may have been there has been removed as much as it has been virtually destroyed; hence my harping about Smith's Cove and other finds. I too enjoy the notion of the Templars and of Sinclair. I think the history of Nova Scotia is much older than that written of in the books. In the years to come, I think we will find more evidence of a Norse presence here and in a way that does link to Sinclair. I think folks are going in the right direction but may have the wrong guy.

There are odd ruins around this province that have yet to be investigated. The government posts a "Special Places" sign on them and then does nothing with them for years or even decades.

Oak Island is one link in a chain and one worth focusing on in my opinion.

 

[rowanns]

Watch the show over again and tell me that you dont see all the earmarks of a cheater planting the coin.

And once again we must remind ourselves that this was an estuary and the coin would have sunk to the bottom and there is no way it was found under legitimate circumstances.

Fine and dandy then, but allow me to ask for proof of that, the same way many others here are demanding proof that there is anything on the island at all. A person cannot demand proof of one thing and then simply accept speculation as fact for another. In the spirit of physical evidence meaning proof, let me ask for proof that the coin was planted. I think that's only fair.

 

[skumpa]

Does anyone have a map of the island with and overlay with the updated, Nolans Cross on it, I would like to see the names of all the rocks labeled there. Crown, wisdom mercy Beauty, ect....

Thanks Scott

 

[burlbark]

Fine and dandy then, but allow me to ask for proof of that, the same way many others here are demanding proof that there is anything on the island at all. A person cannot demand proof of one thing and then simply accept speculation as fact for another. In the spirit of physical evidence meaning proof, let me ask for proof that the coin was planted. I think that's only fair.

All the proof was right there in front of you while you were watching the show. If you fail to see it that is your decision.

 

[FinderKeeper]

Ok , Lets say the coin was found there and not planted . As I rember the person in the TV show said the coin was dated 150yrs before the finding of the Money Pit. The coin had no date on it. But if it was worn that bad could it had been droped at that site when it was all ready 100 or 150 yrs old to begin with.

 

[FinderKeeper]

That's certainly a possibility. If I were going to salt someone else's dig site to screw with them, that's probably what I'd use - something old, but very inexpensive and easily obtained. (Actually for about the same price you could get a Roman copper from Ebay and really mess with them!) But let's assume that this isn't the case, that the coin was not planted, and that it was a legitimate find. How does this affect existing theories, if at all? Remember, Spanish coins from that era are not uncommon beach finds all along the east coast. I don't know for certain of any that have been found in Nova Scotia, but they've been found in Maine. I'd be very surprised if they haven't turned up east of there. Does this coin mean something? It means that the Lagina brothers stand to make $3-4 if they sell it. Beyond that, maybe or maybe not. Hopefully they'll find something else in that area to add some context.

If the coin was not planted it would help date when the stones were placed at this camp site, If this site turns out to be a camp site. This coin could start a major dig at the swamp. So this coin could be a big find or not. Time will tell.

 

[Dave Rishar]

If the coin was not planted it would help date when the stones were placed at this camp site, If this site turns out to be a camp site. This coin could start a major dig at the swamp. So this coin could be a big find or not. Time will tell.

It could, but again, that would depend on context. If at some point it's proven that those stones were placed there by men, it doesn't prove that the same men dropped that coin. Likewise, if they find a modern coin (and I'd be surprised if they don't, or haven't already), it doesn't mean that someone put those stones there in the 20th century. But it may be another piece of evidence, depending on what else is found.

 

[Dave Rishar]

In the years to come, I think we will find more evidence of a Norse presence here and in a way that does link to Sinclair.

I'm quite certain that you're correct about the Norse presence.

There are odd ruins around this province that have yet to be investigated. The government posts a "Special Places" sign on them and then does nothing with them for years or even decades. Oak Island is one link in a chain and one worth focusing on in my opinion.

Could you share some links (or even names) to some of these odd ruins? I'm not questioning you on this; I'm honestly intrigued by it and wish to research this further. I've already done quite a bit of reading about Ms. Hope's "castle," but I'm very uninformed about any other sites of interest.

 

[rowanns]

All the proof was right there in front of you while you were watching the show. If you fail to see it that is your decision.

With all due respect, proof is not in someone's look or another's interpretation of what that look represented. You know that and I know that.

 

[Stone Decipher]

Oak Island is proof you can take it with you when you go! Stone Decifer

 

[rowanns]

Hi Dave, here's a couple to start..

Rock Piles: Bayers Lake Mystery Walls, Halifax ,Nova Scotia Canada

http://yarmouthcountymuseum.ednet.ns.ca/runic_stone.html

As far as I know, no one as of yet has come out and labelled the Yarmouth runic stone as a fake. There are actually three stones, not just one.

There was archaeological work being done at Chegoggin, near Yarmouth by a Swedish archaeologist, but this work has been put on hold with the intent to continue at a later date. I have no link to this one unfortunately.

Hope the links work. The issue of a Viking presence in Nova Scotia is being actively investigated by both amateur enthusiasts and by scholars on both sides of the Atlantic. It's about time.

 

[Smithbrown]

I am curious to know first put Sinclair, the Templars and Oak Island all together and when?

 

[Sinbadthesailor]

The Hutchinson Translation - new clues from the stone found 80-90ft Oak Island

It is with some trepidation I submit this Translation and perhaps would not do so at all if it were not for the original being so blatantly contrived to fit the desired result. I have tried many languages. Some ancient Indian variants, and Phoenician, are close to the character set but none fit. There are letters that have needed to be guessed by necessity but by presenting the Translation it will give others the opportunity to confirm or refute my suggestions.

It seems the language is Old French which would fit in with the times of French persecution in the area, wanting to hide things of value from the British. There may also be a Sinclair connection. I have not studied the family line, nor know of them except of course from Roslin, but Googling the names they appear as a first hit. I will leave that for others to decide.

Word 1. VRUS! The second letter has a strike-through and I see this as an error because all combinations of letters are meaningless. Vrus is an old French word meaning “Truth” or “this is a true statement”
Word 2. VEES Another Old French word meaning see, look regard
Word 3 HENRY
Word 4 SYR (old word for Sir)
Word 5 WILLIAM
Word 6 DA StMYN (the small cross = St) Da old French meaning of/from (St Myn is a place in France. It was also the name of a ship built by the very wealthy William Canyng, Mayor of Bristol. The last character is not repeated elsewhere so has to be a guess
WORD 7 TUE French word meaning ‘dead” or “killed”. The first character is not repeated elsewhere so has to be a best guess.
Word 8 H StUIEY St Uiey does not exist but St Diey is a place near Vosges. I take the first character to be the writer. This is the only character that does not fit so perhaps an error.

"Vrus! Vees Henry Syr William Da StMyn tue H St Diey"

"A True Statement. I have seen Henry Sir William of St Myn killed, signed H St Diery"


Supplimental - as I mentioned I have no real knowledge of Templars and Roslin etc - I just did a quick search on H St Diey in Google Books (as the ink is still drying on the Translation and I have not reseached the details) and it mentions Henry of Lorraine, then a Google search brings up the Knights Templar.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=WfP...AEwAA#v=onepage&q=diey henry lorraine&f=false


Reference to St Myn in Letters of Henry V1

http://books.google.ca/books?id=UpA...&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q="st myn"&f=false

And Reference to Mayor William Canyng builder of St Myn

http://books.google.ca/books?id=A2c...A#v=onepage&q="st myn" william canyng&f=false


It seems St Myn was the old name for Urgell

http://books.google.ca/books?id=uKo...&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q="st myn"&f=false

Google says Urgell had strong Templar ties

http://books.google.ca/books?id=GzR...&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q="urgell"&f=false

Reference to du Camp De St Myn in Parliamentary Papers 1521

http://books.google.ca/books?id=oEg...CwQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=france "st myn"&f=false

 

[HenryWaltonJonesJr]

I'm confused, was this the stone found at 90 feet or the runic stone from Minnesota you're attempting to translate?

 

[Sinbadthesailor]

I'm confused, was this the stone found at 90 feet or the runic stone from Minnesota you're attempting to translate?

The stone at 80-90ft

 

[HenryWaltonJonesJr]

Very good work on that translation, I wouldn't be able to even attempt something like that!

I wonder why someone would bury "truth" so deeply. Could there have been a reason the writer, or someone else, wouldn't want his death or the location of his death to be known?

 

[burlbark]

It is with some trepidation I submit this Translation and perhaps would not do so at all if it were not for the original being so blatantly contrived to fit the desired result. I have tried many languages. Some ancient Indian variants, and Phoenician, are close to the character set but none fit. There are letters that have needed to be guessed by necessity but by presenting the Translation it will give others the opportunity to confirm or refute my suggestions. It seems the language is Old French which would fit in with the times of French persecution in the area, wanting to hide things of value from the British. There may also be a Sinclair connection. I have not studied the family line, nor know of them except of course from Roslin, but Googling the names they appear as a first hit. I will leave that for others to decide. Word 1. VRUS! The second letter has a strike-through and I see this as an error because all combinations of letters are meaningless. Vrus is an old French word meaning “Truth” or “this is a true statement” Word 2. VEES Another Old French word meaning see, look regard Word 3 HENRY Word 4 SYR (old word for Sir) Word 5 WILLIAM Word 6 DA StMYN (the small cross = St) Da old French meaning of/from (St Myn is a place in France. It was also the name of a ship built by the very wealthy William Canyng, Mayor of Bristol. The last character is not repeated elsewhere so has to be a guess WORD 7 TUE French word meaning ‘dead” or “killed”. The first character is not repeated elsewhere so has to be a best guess. Word 8 H StUIEY St Uiey does not exist but St Diey is a place near Vosges. I take the first character to be the writer. This is the only character that does not fit so perhaps an error. "Vrus! Vees Henry Syr William Da StMyn tue H St Diey" "A True Statement. I have seen Henry Sir William of St Myn killed, signed H St Diery" Supplimental - as I mentioned I have no real knowledge of Templars and Roslin etc - I just did a quick search on H St Diey in Google Books (as the ink is still drying on the Translation and I have not reseached the details) and it mentions Henry of Lorraine, then a Google search brings up the Knights Templar. Histoire ecclésiastique et civile de Lorraine, qui comprend ce qui s'est ... - Augustin Calmet - Google Books Reference to St Myn in Letters of Henry V1 Original letters, written during the reigns of Henry VI., Edward IV., and ... - Google Books And Reference to Mayor William Canyng builder of St Myn Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine - Google Books It seems St Myn was the old name for Urgell The Phoenix and the Flame: Catalonia and the Counter Reformation - Henry Kamen - Google Books Google says Urgell had strong Templar ties The Templars: Knights of Christ - Régine Pernoud - Google Books Reference to du Camp De St Myn in Parliamentary Papers 1521 Parliamentary Papers, House of Commons and Command - Great Britain. Parliament. House of Commons - Google Books

Im sorry your translation will be rejected...it does not fit into the 400-500 year old theory of Knights Templar or Spanish treasure.

What really lurks in the area is a special force field that allows 500 year old coins in 4-8ft of mud to float to the surface and come out appearing just like ones bought on ebay.

This same force field makes the planter, oops I meant finder, appear to be pulling a fast one over an old man.

This force field generating device is made up of stones on the surface that have strange hieroglyphic capitol B shaped letters that had to have been carved by aliens before they planted thoughts into the heads of the Spanish to build the device. William Shakespeare then visited the island to drop his manuscript into the hole while no one was looking.

This same force field makes everyone forget that the island has been dug up to the depth of the original depth stated on the now nonexistent flag stone and nothing was found other than trash from past digs.

But this same force field made everyone dig just slightly off center to miss the huge mass of gold and treasure that lie below. They where within a millimeter of it and gave up.

This same magical field also turned the treasure chest into stone in front of a camera and made bodies morph into rocks.

This is the kind of thinking you will encounter if you dare to "logically question" the evidence presented.

 

[HenryWaltonJonesJr]

As far as being planted they really were digging around in the muck. If you've ever metal detected before you know you're as likely or even more so to find something in the plug/removed dirt than at the bottom of the hole. I'm not saying this is proof that it wasn't staged, but just because it was found towards the surface is NOT proof it was planted.