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For All,
Let's say you know of a swimming hole where people regularly lose jewelry but the pool is between 15-20 feet deep. How could you get oxygen down that far with minimal cost (i.e. you wouldn't want to buy scuba gear, etc.)? Any suggestions?
How long can one stay under the water with a simple clear plastic 1" tube attached to a snorkel and the end securely held (by another person) above the water? Is there enough flow to bring in new O2 and get rid of CO2?
Thanks, in advance,
Turtleman
 
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Consider googling snuba gear. It's a hybrid of scuba and snorkeling. Basically, a tank floating on a raft above your head with a line down to your mouth piece. I don't know much about it, but it is something to consider.
 
Turtleman said:
For All,
Let's say you know of a swimming hole where people regularly lose jewelry but the pool is between 15-20 feet deep. How could you get oxygen down that far with minimal cost (i.e. you wouldn't want to buy scuba gear, etc.)? Any suggestions?
How long can one stay under the water with a simple clear plastic 1" tube attached to a snorkel and the end securely held (by another person) above the water? Is there enough flow to bring in new O2 and get rid of CO2?
Thanks, in advance,
Turtleman

Don't even attempt this as the end result could result in drowning.

You can't cut cost over safety.
 
Why not try using the old diving bell method. It work for the Spanish and the Indians ( Well, some of the indians- most died trying to recover the treasure).
 
Turtleman,

The only answer is get certified, and rent or borrow the equipment you need.

Ed D.
 
You can't breath through a long tube. It is not that the air won't go into the tube, it is that your chest is compressed by the pressure of the water and you simply can't suck the air in. That is why Scuba and Hookah rigs are compressed. The air is forced into your body by a regulator as you make the effort to breath in. You simply make the move to start the process, the regulator finishes it. That is why you don't see any extra long snorkels. They just wouldn't work.

If you watch the Mermaids and the springs, they breath off a hose that is placed under water but that air is also being forced out by a compressor. They couldn't suck it out of a static hose.

I would either go Hookah or Scuba if you are going to dive and if you go Hookah, I would still get lessons. There are lots of things you need to know to save your life if things go wrong. You can still hurt yourself even in shallow dives.
 
DaChief nailed it on the breathing through a long tube.

Hookah is the cheapest way to go, but still might cost more that the value of any gold down there in the swimming hole. You will make it up over time at other locations.http://www.airlinebyjsink.com/

Most dive shops can get you trained and certified so you can use the equipement. It's neat being down there scooping up the mud into a Garrett gold classifier pan. You can then run the coil over the pan to see if you found any goodies. Attach the pan to you because it floats.
 
I don't know if this is true or not, but I heard a story about some fool that jumped in about 20' of water with a cinderblock tied to his feet and a garden hose to the surface... He drowned...
Aquanut
 
Hookha is the economic way to go if money is tight. When I got my hookha rig on my gold dredge, I went to the famous Hal Watts SCUBA for lessons. Hal asked me how deep was I diving and said it was 10 or 15 feet. Hal explained that only common sense was necessary as I wasn't dealing in compression time tables. Hal said don't fill your lungs with air, hold it and shoot to the surface or you'd get the "bends".
I used my hookha for over 20 years in water from 3 feet to 15 feet. Sadly, State of Florida outlawed use of recreational dredging and cost of permits were too high and I sold my dredge but kept the hookha assembly in a floating mount.
Anyone can build their own hookha unit from components found in Keene Engineering (use search engine). You'll need a used 3 to 5 hp side shaft gas motor with a 6 inch pulley, a T-80 oil-less compressor with a 3 inch pulley, a engine/compressor mounting plate with a ribbed belt, a compressor snorkle to keep gas fumes away from air intake, mount the plate inside a donut tube mount that slips into a 20 inch truck tire. Attach a 3 foot pig-tail hose to the compressor with a quick release like used on air tools. Next attach a plastic air bottle into the line, this cools the air, maintains constant pressure should the motor slows down for any reason and gives about a minute of air should the motor run out of gas. Next a 30 to 500 foot air line is screwed onto the other end of the air bottle and a quick release is added to couple the air line to the regulator harness.
The quick release is a safety factor. Should the air line become snagged just as the motor runs out of gas, :o you can reach around and free yourself so you can surface. Been there and done that a couple of times. You can build your own hookha rig for about a third of the ones sold in the stores.
I did it this way because I didn't have $2500 to splurge on a Brownie 3rd Lung, 20 years ago. I considered selling my rig but now I think I'll just buy a new compressor and keep it.
You can still use a dredge in saltwater for recovering finds. Talk it over with a SCUBA Master about Hookha diving and see what he says. My advice came from Hal Watts over 20 years ago, he might say different now.
Read David McCracken's gold dredging books as hookha is still used in that hobby and there are a lot of tips I listed here that came from those books. :D
Be Safe, always dive with a buddy at the surface who is holding a safety line, 3 pulls means to pull my butt up.
Don't take my word as gospel. Read all you can, talk to experts then make your own decision that's what I did. ;)
 
Turtleman the largest pressure change is in the first 10' of water. Breathing compressed air is not something to guess about, if you guess wrong, you DIE!
The dive tables probably won't be a factor in diving shallow with a hookah, however there are other factors that are just as dangerous. I wouldn't recogmend diving without professional instruction.

I hope you successfully & safely get to the bottom of your "honey" hole.

hh steve
 
I can't stress proper dive training enough. There are plenty of things to think about...you might not think it happens alot but mono-filiment fishing line entangles divers quite a bit. Without a knife and proper training this can cause a panicked diver to drown. I use scuba with a separate spare tank and regulator in case my main tank malfunctions. I also carry two knifes and shears to cut steel fishing leaders and mono. I also practice situational awareness and exit strategies which involve ditching my gear and surfacing on my spare air should I need to. Diving is dangerous enough without the additional load of multitasking (i.e. operating a detector). It's easy enough to be focused on finding treasure and not pay attention to depth, time, air supply, and dangerous entanglements.
Just my two cents.
 
Turtleman said:
How long can one stay under the water with a simple clear plastic 1" tube attached to a snorkel and the end securely held (by another person) above the water? Is there enough flow to bring in new O2 and get rid of CO2?
Thanks, in advance,
Turtleman

Take 20 feet of garden hose. Pour in one forth cup of water. Have your friend hold one end over his head. You start breathing in and out on the other end.

The only thing you will be doing is moving the water back and forth. The water will not spit out the end your friend has. This little experiment will demonstrate how you are breathing the same air in and out, over and over.

The result will then be obvious to you, after CPR if you keep doing it.
 

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