ID if possible please

[uksweetheart]

Hi, I'm new to the forum and wasn't certain where to ask my question so I hope it's ok to ask here. My hubby goes metal detecting and finds many things he came home yesterday with various items but there's a couple that we'd like IDing if possible please also the age if possible.

 

[CASPER-2]

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[jeff of pa]

Welcome to TreasureNet !

I moved your post here to What is It.
someone should be along who knows something about your Finds

 

[uksweetheart]

Thank you

Welcome to TreasureNet !

I moved your post here to What is It.
someone should be along who knows something about your Finds

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Four holed advertisement button

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

The button with an anchor surrounded by a wreath and a rope border is very similar to a British Royal Navy button, but it is a "backmarked" hollow 2-piece button, which didn't exist until about two decades after the 1812 addition of a crown above the anchor on the Royal Navy buttons. I suspect your button MIGHT be a British Merchant Navy Officer's button. Its hollow 2-piece brass construction and a back saying "Quality" in indented letters indicates it was manufactured sometime in the mid-to-late 1800s.

The four-hole "advertizement" button with raised lettering and "serifed" letters also tends to date mostly from the mid-to-late 1800s. That type of button was used on long underwear ("longjohns") and for pants-fly closure, not for shirts and coats.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I guess its not advertising anything. It appears to say WARRANTED NOT TO CUT

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hercon2000uk/23707593533


http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/what/10798-more-buttons.html

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

What exactly the phrase "WARRANTED NOT TO CUT" means is uncertain. Here is mention of this phrase in 1894 Good Housekeeping Magazine https://books.google.com/books?id=t...AC#v=onepage&q="WARRANTED NOT TO CUT"&f=false


Appletons Journal 1878 https://books.google.com/books?id=X...AE#v=onepage&q="WARRANTED NOT TO CUT"&f=false


The phrase seems to be WARRANTED NOT TO CUT IN THE EYE

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Mens trousers 1820-1830 with WARRANTED NOT TO CUT buttons Men's Trousers 1820-30 | World Textiles & Dress | Meg Andrews - Antique Costumes and Textiles
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[2screwed]

I believe that "WARRANTED NOT TO CUT" means it won't cut the thread used to sew the button on.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I believe that "WARRANTED NOT TO CUT" means it won't cut the thread used to sew the button on.

In the eye of the button?

 

[DCMatt]

The phrase seems to be WARRANTED NOT TO CUT IN THE EYE

This refers to sewing needles.

 

[DCMatt]

From an 1844 magazine:

 

[2screwed]

In the eye of the button?

Yes the holes in the center of buttons are called the eyes, you can see them referenced to as that here:
https://www.craftsy.com/blog/2014/11/how-to-sew-a-button/

This refers to sewing needles.

Also correct when used in reference to the eye of a sewing needle, but in this case it is referring to the eye of the button.

This term would imply that they are manufactured to a higher standard than others.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

After more investigation it appears the phrase is generally referring to the eye of needles BUT this phrase is on a button so it would make sense that it could be referring to the buttons eye. Unless the needle company also makes buttons?

1878

 

[2screwed]

You have to wonder how big a problem they had with buttons falling off back then considering "Warranted Not To Cut" was obviously used as a selling point.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

You have to wonder how big a problem they had with buttons falling off back then considering "Warranted Not To Cut" was obviously used as a selling point.

Sounds very reasonable and it makes common sense, seems obvious... but I just havent found anything to support your theory.


1843 https://books.google.com/books?id=z...epage&q="WARRANTED NOT TO CUT" needle&f=false

 

[2screwed]

The first couple of paragraphs of that link would also explain why they would put the phrase on a button as well. More care was taken in manufacturing them so there were no sharp edges to cut the thread.