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[Hangingfor8]

I was wondering... If someone had stumbled over a wreck that's outside the 12 mile limmit of US waters. What could they do?

 

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[diverlynn]

Get an admarlity claim and keep your mouth shut.

Diverlynn

 

[Chagy]

Then take it to a country that buys gold and silver with out asking questions

Or tell everyone for the fame and glory and have the risk of some one claiming it...

All the best,

Chagy......

 

[Darren in NC]

Hangingfor8,

You aren't required to file for admiralty, but it's highly recommended or else someone else could claim it and take the rights from you. In order to do so, you have to submit any object from the site (anything will do) and find a maritime attorney who'll file an admiralty claim on your behalf. I have found the process costs to run in the 12k-25k range, depending on the complexity of the claim.

Filing an admiralty claim is different from applying for permits. If it's beyond the 12 mile mark, you shouldn't have to apply for any permits, although there is speculation that the new limit is 24 miles. I've not seen that contested in court. Maybe someone else who knows of a recent court case can enlighten us if this is not the case. Again, a maritime atty can help you with this.

Best,
Darren

 

[ScubaDude]

Delete this thread, quit talking about it and get some good help.

 

[Chagy]

Well I'm glad my buddy's came in to tell it how it is.....You take advantage of the rules or the rules take advantage of you....

All the best,

Chagy.....

 

[sabre15]

You call me and we go get it and we both keep our mouths shut!

 

[Chagy]

You call me and we go get it and we both keep our mouths shut!

Where is it that we are going

Our boat is ready

 

[ScubaDude]

It largely depends what you found. If it is an older wreck with cannons, timbers, ballast rocks, and lots of other stuff you might be on the right path.

Seriously, many people would love to get there paws on a "new" site, and might go to great lengths to figure out where it is.

Who knows what you've got. Heck I'm excited for you. You never know............

 

[billinstuart]

Thank you, Dr. Bense(?) for single handedly turning responsible, law abiding citizens into scofflaws. How did we ever survive without you protecting us from ourselves? Whatever you do, don't encourage and support the very people who pay your salary.

 

[ScubaDude]

Luckily this is outside her turf.

It does fall under the new UNESCO mess.

 

[mariner]

Hangingfor8,

The limit for US waters is definitely 24 nm off shore. Within that distance, it is US waters, and the rules are exactly the same as within 12 nm. The first 12 nm is the territorial limit, increased from 3 nm by one of Reagan's Presidential declaration, the next 12 nm is the Contiguous Zone established by one of Clinton's Presidential Declarations. Not every country has established a Contiguous Zone, but they all have the right to do so.

And outside of the 24 nm limit, you do need authorization from an appropriate federal court in order to salvage a wreck. Just because it is in International Waters does not mean there are no rules. Beside, as Darren says, you would want to protect your rights, either with the aid of the law, or with the help of one of Chagy's friends, apparently!

Mariner

 

[want2skydive]

I thought you all might find this link interesting.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns...al-waters-are-you-beyond-the-reach-of-the-law

 

[allen_idaho]

Just FYI, they do accept images of the wreck from a ROV as proof now. It would save you the trouble of recovering artifacts before applying for admiralty.

 

[ScubaDude]

What is your source on this? I've wondered if you couldn't do with sonar records

I know people that have done it with nothing other than lat/longs. That was a while back though (60's & 70's).

 

[pcolaboy]

Darren,

I definitely don't have any doubts about the site admin's integrity. I blabbed my mouth without giving the admins proper notification privately and a chance to look into it. I apologize for my passive-aggressive, and irrelevant comment on this thread and I deleted my post.

Pcolaboy

 

[Darren in NC]

No need to apologize, PcolaBoy. I knew you were concerned and not bashing. Your post have always been respectable here I was simply giving my take on your concern. I have deleted my other post, too.

 

[Hangingfor8]

The Moderators can read?

 

[allen_idaho]

What is your source on this? I've wondered if you couldn't do with sonar records

I know people that have done it with nothing other than lat/longs. That was a while back though (60's & 70's).

Images rather than artifacts were used for claims on a couple of recent wrecks. I forget their names. But I'm pretty sure that is what Odyssey Marine did when they claimed the SS Republic, if memory serves correctly.

 

[architecad]

I was wondering... If someone had stumbled over a wreck that's outside the 12 mile limmit of US waters. What could they do?

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