IN SEARCH OF THE AUTHENTIC ORIGIN OF THE BEALE TREASURE STORY

[legrand]

So hidden in fact, it hasn't been decoded and found in 130+ years!

That's right.

 

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[legrand]

Simply, the ciphers are not to be "decoded" per se.
The entire story is the puzzle.
Still working on the case for presentation...patience.
ECS, we're basically in the same boat, but you continue to force me into a life raft in tow. Why?
The Beale is solved...wait for provenance.

 

[ECS]

...because the claim of "the Beale is solved" story is more that a twice told tale, and will continue to be so.

 

[legrand]

Simply, the ciphers are not to be "decoded" per se.
The entire story is the puzzle.
Still working on the case for presentation...patience.
ECS, we're basically in the same boat, but you continue to force me into a life raft in tow. Why?
The Beale is solved...wait for provenance.

Reiterated.
This is the last word...disregard any other comment.

 

[bigscoop]

I think there is some confusion as to what actually constitutes legitimate provenance. Many have claimed they have it, however, none actually have. Truth is, at this point, and baring any authentic letter of confessions, with no direct connection to the narration and no hidden treasure in hand there can be no actual provenance. Solutions and processes of proposed solutions are a dime a dozen and for obvious reasons, add to this that all the unknowns in this mystery lend themselves to possible connection to just about anyone or any subject one desires to pull out of the hat, just as 130 years of Beale history has proven over and over again. So at this point provenance isn't something that requires patience as one either already possesses it or they don't. To ask for patience at this point is a pretty clear sign that said provenance is still being hoped for and pursued, something else that the Beale mystery has provided again and again over the years. And where are all of those hopefuls today? Most of them finally ran out of patience.

 

[audigger53]

[ And where are all of those hopefuls today? Most of them finally ran out of patience. [/QUOTE]

Or died off from "Old Age". IMO

 

[Rebel - KGC]

OR! BOREDOM!

 

[ECS]

Simply, the ciphers are not to be "decoded" per se.
The entire story is the puzzle.
Still working on the case for presentation...
The Beale is solved...wait for provenance.

Then, again, the entire story may be just that, A STORY.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

A NEVER, NEVER ending story; get Oliver Stone to do the Movie...

 

[Eldo]

...and thirty families never mentioning their missing menfolk and no mention whatsoever of a Beale Party until 1885 when James Beverly Ward published the Beale Papers.

Go ask around then......you have their locations plotted on the map from the grid in the 3rd cipher....

Look how perfectly squared off these marks are ...... lines up perfectly with Bedford's properties at the time of the publication.....

Oh and by the way.....If you were taking a trip out west to steal gold from the Spanish and the European Settlers, you probably wouldn't want to take the time to tell your families that you were involved in illegal activity.

And you expect the 30 families to come forward and admit they were involved in the KGC and the Confederate affairs after the war?

Laws were still in place then and the phrase HIGH TREASON meant that you got lynched back then, or sent to face a long prison term.

The fact remains that there is a chance that the B3 holds more than a list of names and addresses........that the names were encrypted, and their land plots mapped out here.

 

[ECS]

...
And you expect the 30 families to come forward and admit they were involved in the KGC and the Confederate affairs after the war?

Laws were still in place then and the phrase HIGH TREASON meant that you got lynched back then, or sent to face a long prison term...

President Rutherford B Hayes ended Reconstruction on 1877, the Beale Papers were published in 1885, aa adventure treasure story set in 1817-1823 years before the KGC existed and years before the "2nd year of the Confederate War". FYI

 

[Eldo]

And did you give up that 'Provenance' to prove that ECS ......?

Where's the scoop?

Tell all then......

Googled the end of the Civil War and then claimed to tie it to the Beale.......

 

[Eldo]

I think there is some confusion as to what actually constitutes legitimate provenance. Many have claimed they have it, however, none actually have. Truth is, at this point, and baring any authentic letter of confessions, with no direct connection to the narration and no hidden treasure in hand there can be no actual provenance. Solutions and processes of proposed solutions are a dime a dozen and for obvious reasons, add to this that all the unknowns in this mystery lend themselves to possible connection to just about anyone or any subject one desires to pull out of the hat, just as 130 years of Beale history has proven over and over again. So at this point provenance isn't something that requires patience as one either already possesses it or they don't. To ask for patience at this point is a pretty clear sign that said provenance is still being hoped for and pursued, something else that the Beale mystery has provided again and again over the years. And where are all of those hopefuls today? Most of them finally ran out of patience.

I think there is a problem with your perception of time

You joined July, 2014,

.....I've been here under two different user names since the 90's.

See, this is what you have no knowledge of

Well yours says that you only go back to 2010.....and you are claiming to be here since the 90's

Big Scoop where is YOUR perception of time coming from.....?

As far as it relates to your statements in the quote above, you seem to be dressing up your identity here just like the Beale is dressed up to try to confuse....

That's more than shady

 

[bigscoop]

I think there is a problem with your perception of time



Well yours says that you only go back to 2010.....and you are claiming to be here since the 90's

Big Scoop where is YOUR perception of time coming from.....?

As far as it relates to your statements in the quote above, you seem to be dressing up your identity here just like the Beale is dressed up to try to confuse....

That's more than shady

Read my post Eldo, "under two different users names" For a long time I was member of this site under a different user name, cancelled that subscription and resigned with Bigscoop. Again, you make comment about something you have no knowledge of even after having read it, always manifesting what you read into being something else.

 

[ECS]

...
Tell all then......
Googled the end of the Civil War and then claimed to tie it to the Beale.......

Did you not mention 30 families that were members of the KGC and Confederates in relation to your alternative version of the 1885 Beale Papers published by James Beverly Ward?

 

[Eldo]

Questions.....but not one needs to be answered, being rhetorical of its interest to carry on.....

 

[masterpoe]

Read my post Eldo, "under two different users names" For a long time I was member of this site under a different user name, cancelled that subscription and resigned with Bigscoop. Again, you make comment about something you have no knowledge of even after having read it, always manifesting what you read into being something else.

Funny you should say that!

 

[bigscoop]

Funny you should say that!

You have no idea just how funny part of that really is.....

 

[ECS]

You have no idea just how funny part of that really is.....

...but others do realize the humor.

 

[ECS]

One can find the influences of events and stories from the extended Risqué family bloodline beginning with that duel with Thomas Beale concerning Risqué niece Julia Hancock to the massacre of John Pickrell Risqué by Indians while inspecting gold and silver mines in Arizona, genealogy searches of people named or alluded to, the journals of Lewis & Clark (husband of Julia Hancock), Edward F Beale, Pike, Carson and others, newspaper articles on buried treasure, the Gold Bug and cipher articles by Edgar Allen Poe, Confederate cipher codes, Shakespeare candle references, adventure western dime novels,

BUT :

Not one minimal shred of evidence proving that a Thomas J Beale ever led a Party on a perilous adventure out west much less discovered gold and silver, traded silver for jewels in St Louis, stayed with Robert Morriss and the Bufords, and dug a treasure vault 4 miles from Buford's in Bedford county.

...and that lack of real evidence has created a cottage industry of the "real story behind the Beale story" , "alternative versions to the Beale story" or "the reason why the KEY letter wasn't delivered" books that are not based on facts but on creative speculation.