Iron Brigade--Congrats to HB on his SPUR and an Eagle!!

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Hello All,

Even though the weather wasn't cooperating, my buddy HB and I got onto a housesite out in the middle of nowhere today. It was an easy housesite to find--since the farmer had tipped us off to the fact that he thought something was there. :) So after a failed attempt to take the car offroad in the muck without 4wd :tard: we parked on some nice Gravel and Walked in.

The site was Iron Infested with a few dozen aluminum beaver tail pulltabs to boot. Since it was pasture land, we were hoping that the plow had never touched it. And as it turns out, we were right.

The finds were slow to come up. I started finding some oil lantern tops (ended up with Four of 'em--which is pretty unusual for one hunt). All the patent dates on the wick turners are in the 1870s. The usual housesite finds were starting to make an appearance. HB dug a toe tap, and I got a nice floral button with the shank on it. I also dug this large flat button. Now while some of you up north probably wouldn't get excited about this type of button, it makes me Very happy when I find them--because we don't often have sites that old in our neck of the woods. Typical flat button finds for us are the smaller-sized ones.

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We also started digging some suspender clips--three Nice ones, in fact. HB got a great one with a star cut-out. Here is a photo of the two he found:

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Then he called me over to look at a button. "One or Two Piece?" I asked. "Two" was the reply. And I said without hesitation "Eagle Button!" (even though I couldn't see anything on it). Of all the two piece buttons we've dug this year, there has only been an 1840 campiagn button, a large civilian two-piece, and a Masonic button that weren't Military buttons. :thumbsup:

So after that button find, we started to pound the area to death. The rain had started misting down on us, and I was wishing that it was snow instead! Here's a photo of HB hitting the turf:

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HB got an interesting piece marked "PERRY & CO / PATENT / LONDON." Thie piece has a horseshoe for the outside border, and what looks like a jockey's cap up above. Interesting piece--and I'm hoping someone will have an idea about it. Here it is, cleaned up:

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Pretty soon he called me over to see one of the Great finds for the day--an Excellent spur! First Spur for HB--and you can tell by that smile. :thumbsup:

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Then I had a little stroke of luck in walking over the only coin for the day. It was a deepie, in the hole with some junk iron. A late date IH cent. :P

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At that point, the rain started pouring down on our heads. (We'd watched as it rolled in from the distance, but we were'nt willing to leave until the last minute. :icon_pirat: ) So we ran for the car and started plotting the return trip. ;D

Here is a photo of all of the finds together, before cleaning:


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VOL1266-X said:
BB, you are still the "King of old homesites". Some very nice recoveries there including some rare and ornate suspender buckles. On the last pic of your first post displayed on wood, I see 2 one note harmonicas to the left and above the spur. You don't find many of them around here !! WTG.

You flatter me. :) I am going to try and add another good CW find or two this month--2008 is winding down Way too soon, and unseasonably Cold here for some reason... I love all of the suspender clips we found--the variety of them is pretty incredible.

Gotrek said:
Going to venture a suggestion/Guess on the Perry & Co horseshoe emblem... Perry & Co use to make horse drawn carriages and road carts back in the early 1900

Did you find a "Perry & Co." listed as a cart/carriage maker? I'd love to have more info on the company, if you have any.



Regards,



Buckles
 
In a book at home I was already planning on trying to figure out which box it's in... But they were located in Bristol I think... Not London.
 
Hey!!!! I just found this... Search the page for PErry for an interesting tidbit....

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensegb/wag.htm

Obviously not horses but stil the companies roots may be related.

Details on Perry & Co I was talking about...

http://www.bristolinformation.co.uk/streets/stokescroft-05.asp

Searching Stokes Croft should bring you info about perry's carriage works...


Perry’s Carriage Works
In 1804 T&J Perry opened their first carriage and harness factory in Stokes Croft.
After it burned down in 1860 they commissioned the award-winning Bristol-born architect Edward William Godwin to design a replacement. Perry’s Carriage Works: by Edward William Godwin, c. 1900The result was a highly innovative building, three storeys of independent continuous arcading; the window arches of alternating purple and brown stones, with the ground floor arcades left open to display the carriages. It was a daring experiment, a complete departure from the early reliance on the solid wall. Described by one architectural historian as one of the two masterpieces of High Victorian commercial architecture at its best moment, the Carriage Works is listed Grade II*. In 1912, Perrys sold to Anderson’s Rubber Co. who occupied it until 1960. It was then taken over by the Regional Pools Company, since 1979 it has stood empty. During the 1960’s the adjacent site no 106 Stokes Croft was redeveloped with the building known as Westmoreland House, this too remains empty awaiting redevelopment.


There's also a couple Perry coachmakerrs fom the US if you google arround, two in North Carolina I found here. http://www.historync.org/carriages.htm But Perry & Co in Bristol is so much more likely...
 
Another great site for you all! :icon_king: Fantastic bunch of relics! Love that rose button! :icon_pirat:

Super post! Nana :wink:
 
Gotrek said:
Hey!!!! I just found this... Search the page for PErry for an interesting tidbit....

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensegb/wag.htm

Obviously not horses but stil the companies roots may be related.

Details on Perry & Co I was talking about...

http://www.bristolinformation.co.uk/streets/stokescroft-05.asp

Searching Stokes Croft should bring you info about perry's carriage works...


Perry’s Carriage Works
In 1804 T&J Perry opened their first carriage and harness factory in Stokes Croft.
After it burned down in 1860 they commissioned the award-winning Bristol-born architect Edward William Godwin to design a replacement. Perry’s Carriage Works: by Edward William Godwin, c. 1900The result was a highly innovative building, three storeys of independent continuous arcading; the window arches of alternating purple and brown stones, with the ground floor arcades left open to display the carriages. It was a daring experiment, a complete departure from the early reliance on the solid wall. Described by one architectural historian as one of the two masterpieces of High Victorian commercial architecture at its best moment, the Carriage Works is listed Grade II*. In 1912, Perrys sold to Anderson’s Rubber Co. who occupied it until 1960. It was then taken over by the Regional Pools Company, since 1979 it has stood empty. During the 1960’s the adjacent site no 106 Stokes Croft was redeveloped with the building known as Westmoreland House, this too remains empty awaiting redevelopment.


There's also a couple Perry coachmakerrs fom the US if you google arround, two in North Carolina I found here. http://www.historync.org/carriages.htm But Perry & Co in Bristol is so much more likely...

Awesome information, Gotrek. :thumbsup: Now I need to figure out what that thing was. :icon_scratch:
 
First easy guess would of been an emblem on the carriage but my Country boy guess it's it's the piece to join the leather bindings that go between two horses. part of the "Attelage" (french sorry I don't know the name in english (being french canadian an all)) Google Translate say coupling, so Harness coupling? I'm really not sure I'm purely guessing

what does the top say?
 
Nice finds and congrats.

Those are the type of relics I like to find. Them old ornate suspender clips are great. I dug my first spur last yr around this time. They are nice relics.

HH Jer
 
Gotrek, heres a close up of what the top says.
 

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Brevets is french for patents.... That seems to say who pantented is "Brevete" (the action of patenting) Almost looks like there is a letter that got stamped out after the D

EDIT got it, it probably used to say

S.G.D.G." (Sans garantie du Gouvernement) is a disclaimer required by the government of France stating that it does not guarantee enforcement of the claimed patent

According to..

Cette mention a été établie par la loi de 1844 qui dit que les brevets sont délivrés « sans examen préalable, aux risques et périls des demandeurs, et sans garantie soit de la réalité, de la nouveauté ou du mérite de l’invention, soit de la fidélité ou de l’exactitude de la description ». Cette mention a disparu en 1968



It was amde law in 1844 saying patents wouldn't necessarily be enforced by the french governement the wording dissapeard in 1968 so you know your item falls in that time frame (huge Inknow but :) )
 
Nice finds BB and HB! I really appreciate the time you put in to the photo presentation and the story behind the finds. Thanks for taking us along on some awesome hunts!!
Jerry
 
Great finds again,Looking at the display of relics it looks as if they were a hard working family that was most likely of Baptist faith and attended Church quite often and on Sundays after Church they would relax with some Beautiful singing around the piano and/or organ .
During the cold winter months while out in the barn and about to freeze milking the cows and feeding there horses, The mister of the House would sneak a few sips of some Smooth Whiskey that he hid in the loft to keep from the misses, to help warm up alittle.

Don't mind me,i get told quite a bit that i was born in the wrong Century ;D.

I wish you all the best on your return hunt.
Nova Treasure
 
Looks like you guys did really well, what is an approximate date for a flat button like that? Great finds, thanks for the look.
 
Great finds. Congrarts on the spur. :thumbsup:
Dman
 
Ohio Jerry said:
Nice finds BB and HB! I really appreciate the time you put in to the photo presentation and the story behind the finds. Thanks for taking us along on some awesome hunts!!
Jerry
It was an awsome hunt, going back in the morning to dig the privy and do a little more swinging.I hope we dig up some nice bottles tomorrow,the outhouse is long gone but the bottles are in the bottom crying BBoy come get me. :-*
 
once again - amazing finds. simply the best.

Good job Iron Brigade!

Ian
 
Looks like another great spot and some nice finds, stupid rain!! >:(
 
peanut695 said:
Amazing finds and pics too....

Your posts never disappoint !!!!

You must have a great camera. The pics are soooooo clear.

Keep the finds coming !!!

Brian in MA

That's pretty much what I was going to say. Thanks for sharing!

DANGLANGLEY
 
nova treasure said:
Great finds again,Looking at the display of relics it looks as if they were a hard working family that was most likely of Baptist faith and attended Church quite often and on Sundays after Church they would relax with some Beautiful singing around the piano and/or organ .
During the cold winter months while out in the barn and about to freeze milking the cows and feeding there horses, The mister of the House would sneak a few sips of some Smooth Whiskey that he hid in the loft to keep from the misses, to help warm up alittle.

Don't mind me,i get told quite a bit that i was born in the wrong Century ;D.

I wish you all the best on your return hunt.
Nova Treasure


Well...we did find the whiskey tag out in the iron patch we think was the barn. Found some rivets there too. :)
 
Great post, pics, and finds Buckles :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Love your posts :icon_sunny:
 

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