Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

[humble]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

EE, the question was addressed to LRL users. Why are you butting in? humble

 

[EE THr]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

EE, the question was addressed to LRL users. Why are you butting in? humble

Since LRLs don't work, they cannot be "used." So there are no such people as LRL "users." Therefore the question is not addressed to anyone in particular.

Besides, I was commenting on your post (note the quote box), and answering the topic question, as I stated in the post, as well.

So butt out!

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

~EE~

Since LRLs don't work, they cannot be "used." So there are no such people as LRL "users." Therefore the question is not addressed to anyone in particular.
Besides, I was commenting on your post (note the quote box), and answering the topic question, as I stated in the post, as well.
So butt out!

Hey humble..EE is scared to death of LRL users because we know and have proved that he has no knowledge about them. He does not understand that we want to talk to other LRL users and exchange information with them.

After having a stroke my ability to use rods for Dowsing or the use of rods with a LRL were gone..since that time an operation has cured that problem.

I use no mental input to do either type of treasure hunting. Of course there is always a chance that I am wrong about that fact... The scientific community is a long way from understanding the human brains power.

So butt out!

It looks like EE thinks his name is Marc and owns this web site..Art

 

[humble]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

Since LRLs don't work, they cannot be "used." So there are no such people as LRL "users." Therefore the question is not addressed to anyone in particular.

EE, your logic defies rational explanation. I hope you will explain your rationale to the web site host so he in turn can explain to the rest of us as to why he would create a forum titled "Long Range Locators" (LRL) if no users of LRL existed to post on such a forum, or why you infer that those who claim to being Long Range Locator users are lieing because you say LRL users don't exist?

Perhaps it's the terminology you are having difficulty with. Would it help you if I referred to myself as a user of Remote Sensing Discrimination (RSD) ? humble

 

[humble]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

Art, I am very sorry about the stroke, but I am very happy you are making a recovery. It's a pleasure to read of your personal experience with LRL. Thank you, and keep up your good works. They are appreciated. humble

 

[EE THr]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

Since LRLs don't work, they cannot be "used." So there are no such people as LRL "users." Therefore the question is not addressed to anyone in particular.

EE, your logic defies rational explanation. I hope you will explain your rationale to the web site host so he in turn can explain to the rest of us as to why he would create a forum titled "Long Range Locators" (LRL) if no users of LRL existed to post on such a forum, or why you infer that those who claim to being Long Range Locator users are lieing because you say LRL users don't exist?

Perhaps it's the terminology you are having difficulty with. Would it help you if I referred to myself as a user of Remote Sensing Discrimination (RSD) ? humble

Just because you and your ilk invented the name "Long Range Locator," doesn't mean that such a device acutally exists, as advertised. The "LRLs" so far marketed are not capable of locating anything, either long or short range. It is a fictional name.

You could have a forum section dedicated to discussing Mickey Mouse, but that doesn't mean that he is a real mouse, does it?

Therefore, asking a question of people who have actually met Mickey, and had lunch with him, is a fictional question. And those who would claim that they did, are merely fantasizing.

No LRL has ever been proven to the World to actually work. They are totally ficticious.

What you refer to yourself as, is entirely your own little problem.

 

[humble]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

EE so far, your posts are circular and you are making no sense. Not even common sense for you to demonstrate you are interested in rational discussion of the subject.

If you are proclaiming yourself an expert on Remote Sensing methods, please be kind enough to tell us about the Remote sensing methods you have personally field tested that detect Magnetic fields from a distance so there is some common ground for discussion?

I did not invent the term LRL, but it seems applicable. But, if you don't like to use the term LRL, just say so, and I won't use it when posting to you. Fair enough? Was "you and your ilk" intended to be an insult? I'll accept it as merely a mis-understanding.

I agree, that competitive advertising often exaggerates to extremes. I remember an ad my friend Charlie Garrett, once ran where he claimed his metal detectors detected objects at "Incredible Depths". Would you agree with that claim? humble

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

~EE~

Just because you and your ilk invented the name "Long Range Locator," doesn't mean that such a device acutally exists, as advertised. The "LRLs" so far marketed are not capable of locating anything, either long or short range. It is a fictional name.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,431427.0.html
I Will Prove to the World That My LRL Works!
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,428232.0.html
Can You Scientifically Prove to the World That LRLs Work?
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,410862.0.html
A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,390641.0.html
The Questions LRLers Refuse to Answer
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,409519.0.html
Known Facts About LRLs Only---No Insults or Tall Tales
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,387205.0.html
Are LRLs More Than Just Dowsing?
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,411065.0.html
Random Double-Blind Tests for LRLs
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,393449.0.html
What do LRL Promoters Fear the Most?
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,389594.0.html
Different Ways of Testing LRLs
Thank You EE....You are our best proof.

You could have a forum section dedicated to discussing Mickey Mouse, but that doesn't mean that he is a real mouse, does it?

I am sure if there was a treasure hunting tool named Mickey Mouse there would be a section to discuss the tool here on t-net.

Therefore, asking a question of people who have actually met Mickey, and had lunch with him, is a fictional question. And those who would claim that they did, are merely fantasizing.

Why?...Your post about LRL’s are all fictional so what would be the difference?

No LRL has ever been proven to the World to actually work. They are totally ficticious.

They are not fictional to the 61 plus owner operators who have testified here on t-net and the 100’s of people on the internet that have testified to how they have worked for them

What you refer to yourself as, is entirely your own little problem.

Does that make sense to anyone?...Art

 

[EE THr]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

humble---

Your insult about "a common fallacy" was totally unnecessary. The ideometer effect is a repeatedly documented phenomenon. Your referring to it as a fallacy is a falsehood.

And "skeptics" very seldom post anything on this board. If you are referring to those who post facts showing that LRL are fraudulent, then your calling them "skeptics" is a misnomer and an insult.


Your statement that facts posted which disprove LRLs, do not account for "mystery" devices and some alleged, yet unproven, "sense of feel," is merely confusing the real question of topic, with rumor and fantasy.

Big J asked a simple question, and rather then replying with a simple, straightforward answer, you just had to take a few shots at those who merely post the truth. Not very nice, and not suitable to your username, either.

Judy, a common fallacy presented by the Skeptic organization is that LRL's only work when a target is visible to the operator, or a hand held L-Rod can only be physically moved in the direction of a target via a mentally influenced ideomoter muscle reflex.

Their argument does not account for several privately owned electronic LRL's that have been invented, tested, and used successfully during the past 30 years using electronic metering & audio to detect buried targets.

Neither does their argument take into account non-electronic LRL's that utilize the operators sense of Feel, to lock on to the field of a target, even while blindfolded. humble

Yes, if anyone could get a currently marketed "LRL" to reliably locate anything, some kind of non-empirical ability would be necessary, because their pseudoelectronics circuitry does nothing in that regard.

There is no evidence that any privately invented "super" LRLs exist, except for some ridiculous claims by a couple of sub-amateur pseudoelectronics wannabes.

And a "non-electronic" LRL would be a dowsing device, by definition.



As I have said before, I have no reason to doubt that someone, somewhere, might be able to find stuff with an LRL, but not because of their so-called "electronic" components.

Lately I have added that I do have reason to believe that none of the LRLers posting on here have ever found anything with an LRL.

I might add that, although there are measurable electromagnetic radiation waves emanating from brains, and measurable electricity inside brains, the same is true for other cells throughout human and animal bodies, and in vegetation.

Also, the electromagnetic energy radiating from cells is of very short range. Using the observations that thoughts can affect others over very long distance spans, to support the idea that cell emanations travel long distances, even though their range has been proven to be short, is a misapplication of logic. There is no reason to conclude that physical "energy" must be responsible for "paranormal" abilities, unless it is being promoted that the soul does not exist, such as with the mantra of Eugenics. None of the "mind is in the brain" claims have ever been scientifically proven, simply because that is not the case.

And that is why an "electronic" device cannot enhance whatever abilities for dowsing a person might have. Because so-called PSI phenomenon do not occur within the physical realm (which includes energy), but they can affect the physical.

I won't argue the existence of the soul, because I am not trying to "convince" anyone about it, but rather I am merely answering the question of the topic title. People can certainly think for themselves on this matter, so trying to convince anyone is not of much help.

But that's my answer....

My answer was pertinent to the topic title, to Big J's question, and also to your post.

So, now you want to mess up the thread, and Big J's question/discussion, by trying to start an irrelevent argument with me? Tisk-tisk. Call Big J's thread police! Or maybe a whaaaaaaaaaaambulance!

 

[EE THr]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

~EE~

Just because you and your ilk invented the name "Long Range Locator," doesn't mean that such a device acutally exists, as advertised. The "LRLs" so far marketed are not capable of locating anything, either long or short range. It is a fictional name.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,431427.0.html
I Will Prove to the World That My LRL Works!
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,428232.0.html
Can You Scientifically Prove to the World That LRLs Work?
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,410862.0.html
A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,390641.0.html
The Questions LRLers Refuse to Answer
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,409519.0.html
Known Facts About LRLs Only---No Insults or Tall Tales
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,387205.0.html
Are LRLs More Than Just Dowsing?
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,411065.0.html
Random Double-Blind Tests for LRLs
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,393449.0.html
What do LRL Promoters Fear the Most?
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,389594.0.html
Different Ways of Testing LRLs
Thank You EE....You are our best proof.

You could have a forum section dedicated to discussing Mickey Mouse, but that doesn't mean that he is a real mouse, does it?

I am sure if there was a treasure hunting tool named Mickey Mouse there would be a section to discuss the tool here on t-net.

Therefore, asking a question of people who have actually met Mickey, and had lunch with him, is a fictional question. And those who would claim that they did, are merely fantasizing.

Why?...Your post about LRL’s are all fictional so what would be the difference?

No LRL has ever been proven to the World to actually work. They are totally ficticious.

They are not fictional to the 61 plus owner operators who have testified here on t-net and the 100’s of people on the internet that have testified to how they have worked for them

What you refer to yourself as, is entirely your own little problem.

Does that make sense to anyone?...Art

Uh-oh, here she comes...



Watch out, boy---she'll chew you up!​

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

~EE~

Just because you and your ilk invented the name "Long Range Locator," doesn't mean that such a device acutally exists, as advertised. The "LRLs" so far marketed are not capable of locating anything, either long or short range. It is a fictional name.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,431427.0.html
I Will Prove to the World That My LRL Works!
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,428232.0.html
Can You Scientifically Prove to the World That LRLs Work?
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,410862.0.html
A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,390641.0.html
The Questions LRLers Refuse to Answer
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,409519.0.html
Known Facts About LRLs Only---No Insults or Tall Tales
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,387205.0.html
Are LRLs More Than Just Dowsing?
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,411065.0.html
Random Double-Blind Tests for LRLs
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,393449.0.html
What do LRL Promoters Fear the Most?
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,389594.0.html
Different Ways of Testing LRLs
Thank You EE....You are our best proof.

You could have a forum section dedicated to discussing Mickey Mouse, but that doesn't mean that he is a real mouse, does it?

I am sure if there was a treasure hunting tool named Mickey Mouse there would be a section to discuss the tool here on t-net.

Therefore, asking a question of people who have actually met Mickey, and had lunch with him, is a fictional question. And those who would claim that they did, are merely fantasizing.

Why?...Your post about LRL’s are all fictional so what would be the difference?

No LRL has ever been proven to the World to actually work. They are totally ficticious.

They are not fictional to the 61 plus owner operators who have testified here on t-net and the 100’s of people on the internet that have testified to how they have worked for them

What you refer to yourself as, is entirely your own little problem.

Does that make sense to anyone?...Art

Uh-oh, here she comes...




Look out, man---she'll chew you up!​

Thank you EE for answering my questions...This is the biggest insult of all..I am sure that Judy will agree with me..Art

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

EE where did you get Judy's picture?

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

Good evening: this post can rightly fit into dowsing and lRL's sections.

In the 60's a gentleman in California, Cameron (?) was one of the most continuously successful practitioners of dowsing, for anything, but especially H2o.. In his postings of his extensive research he finally developed a dowsing device that was suspended by springs inside of a glass cage in such a way that the user could not move the indicator to point no matter how the box was turned, all that he could do was to cause it to vibrate. Yet when mentally programed, it would definitely 'point' in the direction of the subject looked for.

It worked inside of car and a light aircraft..

He died shortly after and his remote device was lost. It sits in some garage or whatever, a forgotten giant step for Mankind.. It needed a human operator to mentally fix an image of what was being sought for to respond.

I was in correspondence with him for a bit and talked to others that witnessed his box working. The operator did not have to be holding it.

It reminded me of a Checkslovakian researcher that discovered how to charge up devices with the energy of 'looking and concentrating' at the device and cause them to move or indicate.. I believe they are called psionic devices. Fascinating.


Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[humble]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

humble---

Your insult about "a common fallacy" was totally unnecessary. The ideometer effect is a repeatedly documented phenomenon. Your referring to it as a fallacy is a falsehood.

You are funny! If you are not a Skeptic why do you find my reference to self proclaimed Skeptics as an insult to you. That doesn't make sense.

I certainly didn't mention anything about the ideoMETER effect. You may be referring to the Ideomotor effect. The Skeptics have informed this, and other forums that the Ideomoter is something that cannot be seen, touched, feel, taste, can not be electronically metered, sensed, or measured, Therefore there is no absolute way to prove it, yet with all the unknown factors they claim that gravity, or a Ideomotor controlled muscle reaction is the only force that will cause a hand held L-rod to move. These are Skeptic beliefs, and not proven facts.

Certainly, a trained Ideomotor response is no doubt utilized in the art of Dowsing, but as I stated in my answer to Judy's question, no psi ability is necessary to learn to use a LRL. It is not Psychic Dowsing

And "skeptics" very seldom post anything on this board. If you are referring to those who post facts showing that LRL are fraudulent, then your calling them "skeptics" is a misnomer and an insult.

Then why do those members refer to themselves as "Skeptics". I am not insulting them by referring to them by the title they wish to be called. Aren't you aware that Skeptics are a very powerful organization and proud of it?
I'm not trying to be insulting but you seem to be oblivious to the facts.

Your statement that facts posted which disprove LRLs, do not account for "mystery" devices and some alleged, yet unproven, "sense of feel," is merely confusing the real question of topic, with rumor and fantasy.

I apologize, for it has not been my intent to confuse you. I have not seen any facts you have posted that dis-prove mine, or anyone's successful use of LRL's.

Big J asked a simple question, and rather then replying with a simple, straightforward answer, you just had to take a few shots at those who merely post the truth. Not very nice, and not suitable to your username, either.

The answer to Judy's question was very straight forward. I will repeat "NO PSI ABILITY IS NEEDED TO USE A LRL".

As far as my user name being unsuitable, that's entirely possible but most of the good names have been taken. I looked at your user name and my first impression was that EE may stand for Electronics Engineer, and since most expensive LRL's around the world are manufactured by electronics people, you would be well versed to know what you are talking about. So what does the EE stand for? humble

 

[EE THr]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

humble---

Your insult about "a common fallacy" was totally unnecessary. The ideometer effect is a repeatedly documented phenomenon. Your referring to it as a fallacy is a falsehood.

You are funny! If you are not a Skeptic why do you find my reference to self proclaimed Skeptics as an insult to you. That doesn't make sense.

I certainly didn't mention anything about the ideoMETER effect. You may be referring to the Ideomotor effect. The Skeptics have informed this, and other forums that the Ideomoter is something that cannot be seen, touched, feel, taste, can not be electronically metered, sensed, or measured, Therefore there is no absolute way to prove it, yet with all the unknown factors they claim that gravity, or a Ideomotor controlled muscle reaction is the only force that will cause a hand held L-rod to move. These are Skeptic beliefs, and not proven facts.

Certainly, a trained Ideomotor response is no doubt utilized in the art of Dowsing, but as I stated in my answer to Judy's question, no psi ability is necessary to learn to use a LRL. It is not Psychic Dowsing

Sorry I didn't check the spelling. The whole idea of ideomotor response is that it is not a conscious action, so it cannot be trained. But yes, it can be proven, by the fact that dowsers can "find" the target when they already know where it is, but not when they don't.

I don't want to go off topic by talking about dowsing in the LRL forum, but water dowsers are the largest group of people claiming this ability; but their problem is that water is all over the place underground. It's known as the water table. Dig just about anywhere, and you will eventually hit water.


And "skeptics" very seldom post anything on this board. If you are referring to those who post facts showing that LRL are fraudulent, then your calling them "skeptics" is a misnomer and an insult.

Then why do those members refer to themselves as "Skeptics".

They don't call themselves skeptics. I am not a "skeptic," and I don't know of anyone posting currently who calls themself a skeptic.

I am not insulting them by referring to them by the title they wish to be called. Aren't you aware that Skeptics are a very powerful organization and proud of it?

I don't know of anyone from any "skeptic organization" who posts on here.

I'm not trying to be insulting but you seem to be oblivious to the facts.

Your statement that facts posted which disprove LRLs, do not account for "mystery" devices and some alleged, yet unproven, "sense of feel," is merely confusing the real question of topic, with rumor and fantasy.

I apologize, for it has not been my intent to confuse you. I have not seen any facts you have posted that dis-prove mine, or anyone's successful use of LRL's.

Then you haven't been paying attention. A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud These points have never been rationally refuted.

Big J asked a simple question, and rather then replying with a simple, straightforward answer, you just had to take a few shots at those who merely post the truth. Not very nice, and not suitable to your username, either.

The answer to Judy's question was very straight forward. I will repeat "NO PSI ABILITY IS NEEDED TO USE A LRL".

I was talking about all the BS about skeptics and your fantasies about "LRLs."

As far as my user name being unsuitable, that's entirely possible but most of the good names have been taken. I looked at your user name and my first impression was that EE may stand for Electronics Engineer, and since most expensive LRL's around the world are manufactured by electronics people, you would be well versed to know what you are talking about. So what does the EE stand for? humble

 

[EE THr]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

humble;

Here is your first answer to Big J---

Question for LRL Users.....


Can you get positive results if someone else "baits" the rod or "sets the frequency" on the LRL....without personal knowledge of the bait or settings they used? In other words....can you get positive results without "putting it (the target)" in Your mind?




Absolutely! No mental input required. For that reason even the harshest critics here could learn to use LRL, IF, they wished to do so. humble

Then you had to go and try to get fancy with this BS---

Judy, a common fallacy presented by the Skeptic organization is that LRL's only work when a target is visible to the operator, or a hand held L-Rod can only be physically moved in the direction of a target via a mentally influenced ideomoter muscle reflex.

Their argument does not account for several privately owned electronic LRL's that have been invented, tested, and used successfully during the past 30 years using electronic metering & audio to detect buried targets.

Neither does their argument take into account non-electronic LRL's that utilize the operators sense of Feel, to lock on to the field of a target, even while blindfolded. humble

Then after I posted, you accused be of "butting in." News Flash: It's a public forum!



So, now I have a question, in response to your answers to Big J: What, exactly, would "the harshest critics here" (or anyone else) need to learn, in order to get an LRL to work?

I mean, anyone can get a metal detector to work. With some of the more complex ones, there might be a longer learning curve, but even most of those can be gotten to find stuff, right out of the box, with their preset adjustments. Very simple. There's not much to learn, really.

The same could be said for a transistor radio or CD player. Once you read the instructions, you just push a button or turn a dial, and it works. Always the same, every time. As advertised.




So, please explain what needs to be "learned" to get an LRL to work?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

~EE~

Sorry I didn't check the spelling. The whole idea of ideomotor response is that it is not a conscious action, so it cannot be trained. But yes, it can be proven, by the fact that dowsers can "find" the target when they already know where it is, but not when they don't.

Yes if you believe the difination from 1852
http://www.google.com/search?source...GGHP_enUS414US415&q=Taught+Ideomotor+response
Taught Ideomotor response
http://www.google.com/search?source...GHP_enUS414US415&q=Trained+Ideomotor+response
Trained Ideomotor response
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,311498.0.html
IDEOMOTOR - CHALLENGE FOR SKEPTICS
Posted Apr 05, 2010, 02:34:59 PM

I don't want to go off topic by talking about dowsing in the LRL forum, but water dowsers are the largest group of people claiming this ability; but their problem is that water is all over the place underground. It's known as the water table. Dig just about anywhere, and you will eventually hit water.

Wrong again
http://twm.co.nz/dowsing_jse_com.html
http://www.water-diviner.com/articles3.htm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_a_water_dowser_work

They don't call themselves skeptics. I am not a "skeptic," and I don't know of anyone posting currently who calls themself a skeptic.

Actions show who and what they are.

I don't know of anyone from any "skeptic organization" who posts on here.

But they are here.

Then you haven't been paying attention. A Dozen Points Proving LRL Fraud These points have never been rationally refuted.

Yes ..in your mind

I was talking about all the BS about skeptics and your fantasies about "LRLs."

Yes we know that you skeptics are full of BS...and yes we know all about your LRL fantasies

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

~Judy~~

Question for LRL Users.....
Can you get positive results if someone else "baits" the rod or "sets the frequency" on the LRL....without personal knowledge of the bait or settings they used? In other words....can you get positive results without "putting it (the target)" in Your mind?

~humble~

Absolutely! No mental input required. For that reason even the harshest critics here could learn to use LRL, IF, they wished to do so. Humble

~EE~

Then you had to go and try to get fancy with this BS---

~humble~

Judy, a common fallacy presented by the Skeptic organization is that LRL's only work when a target is visible to the operator, or a hand held L-Rod can only be physically moved in the direction of a target via a mentally influenced ideomoter muscle reflex.

Their argument does not account for several privately owned electronic LRL's that have been invented, tested, and used successfully during the past 30 years using electronic metering & audio to detect buried targets.

Neither does their argument take into account non-electronic LRL's that utilize the operators sense of Feel, to lock on to the field of a target, even while blindfolded. Humble

~EE~

Then after I posted, you accused be of "butting in." News Flash: It's a public forum!

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.
Reply To This Topic #151 Posted Yesterday at 11:25:30 AM
EE, the question was addressed to LRL users. Why are you butting in? humble
So butt out!

So, now I have a question, in response to your answers to Big J: What, exactly, would "the harshest critics here" (or anyone else) need to learn, in order to get an LRL to work?

There is well over 100 makes and models on the market...They all require that you learn how the unit works and what it’s limits are. I answer this for Judy as I know she is not a LRL user.

I mean, anyone can get a metal detector to work. With some of the more complex ones, there might be a longer learning curve, but even most of those can be gotten to find stuff, right out of the box, with their preset adjustments. Very simple. There's not much to learn, really.

You have been told before that you should read about the problem with conventional metal detectors....These detectors are used with many other treasure hunting tools...Some mental dowse with them..some use them to follow the man made signals made by LRL’s...some use them as a pin pointer ...and some set in a closet

So, please explain what needs to be "learned" to get an LRL to work

How to properly enter the frequencies...how to check for depth, distance and weight of the target. How to follow the signal to the target..How to pin point the target...in your case how to read and understand the manual would probably be the biggest problem. They are all different so learning how your device works is the important thing...Art

 

[humble]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

So, now I have a question, in response to your answers to Big J: What, exactly, would "the harshest critics here" (or anyone else) need to learn, in order to get an LRL to work?

Easy! The first step is to learn to walk while correctly holding a pair of L-rods in your hands and allowing them to react naturally to the concentrated Magnetic field surrounding an anomaly. The earth's Magnetic field concentrates strong around an Iron anomaly so it makes a good test target for you to practice on.

When you become proficient with the L-Rods let me know and I will answer more of your questions about LRL. Until then, I will not waste any more of my time with your petty complaints and arguments. humble

 

[Ted Groves]

Re: Is a certain PSI ability needed or useful for Lrl"s? Dowsing yes.

The first step is to learn to walk while correctly holding a pair of L-rods in your hands and allowing them to react naturally to the concentrated Magnetic field surrounding an anomaly. The earth's Magnetic field concentrates strong around an Iron anomaly so it makes a good test target for you to practice on.

When you become proficient with the L-Rods let me know and I will answer more of your questions about LRL. Until then, I will not waste any more of my time with your petty complaints and arguments. humble

Sorry to be the one that bursts your bubble, but L-rods do not (and cannot) react naturally (or otherwise) to a magnetic field of any sort. (Unless of course they are made from a magnetic material such as iron, and the field is a very strong one such as from a very large electromagnet) What you are repeating, as if it were some sort of law, is actually a classic theory that dowsers WISH were true. In fact, it is totally false.

In truth, if a subject (dowser or not) is successful at getting L-rods to move, whether near a magnetic field OR NOT, all movement is strictly a result of their own deluded wishful thinking and comes about purely as a direct function of the classic ideomotor response. (A response which has been identified and known about for decades)

Your admonition; "become proficient with the L-Rods" really should read - when you become proficient at willing the L-rods to move through the application of an ideomotor response, you will have become delusional to an appropriate level where now it will be impossible to distinguish fact from Wish Science and then the poor chap will have digressed to your level.

One can only hope that few, if any, will actually attain your level of delusion, and will instead choose to see the exact logic of what is really going on - and will refute all of your nonsense until such time as you can provide credible evidence for your theories you WISH were true.