it only takes ONE---- and I found one total #*^@%$&

PEA they are some incredible finds and all from the park?I don't blame you for being angry,I'm mad and have no dog in this fight.But I do believe your best chance to take everything in that park is to lay low.Go back and start MDing again later on.Hunt that park hard.When finds start getting harder to find then give him both barrels.You may win both battles.Good luck to all.
PS Can't wait for my first shooing.I think I could convince that guy I'm hunting truffles.
 

It's crazy sometimes, ran into a weird one myself earlier this year. To make a long story short the administrator of a property offered me this answer to my inquiry about detecting. "I can't give you permission but if I see you detecting I'm not going to say anything unless someone else complains." :laughing7: Now I understood where she was coming form and even appreciated that fact that she could personally care less, but still, what would her actions be if that someone complained? :laughing7:

My point here is that things are all messed up, those who are seemingly in charge and even bearing that title and those duties not always really being the ones in charge. And then there is the liability concern, some even worrying that if they give you permission would this then make them liable for any injury the detectorist suffers or experiences, or perhaps, even causes? It's just one huge mess!
 

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I can see his point. Personally I don't think he's worried about you in particular. He saw that 8" wide and 14" hole and his liability mode went haywire. He's worried someone else will see you, decide to get a detector and not be as careful about refilling their holes.

Lets be honest we all know the stories- good detectorists having to repair other people's plugs, people denied permission to hunt because previous people given permission damaged the person's lawn, or people actually leaving holes. Its those few people who cause problems for the rest of us.
 

" I had a hole 8" across & 14" deep to recover this Colonial copper."

There is no way I would dig a big hole like that in a public park. If I did, I would make sure the park "bigshot" wasn't watching. It seems to me like you just kinda shot yourself in the foot....JMHO.
 

I think another negative aspect of this rest in the size of diggers detectorist are carrying around these days. Far too many people see these as potential threats these days, or, those larger diggers just resonate, "BIG holes!" Not too many years ago detectorist were ever-aware of this which is why most used small digging tools in public areas. But the desire for more depth and/or less digging has overrun this awareness.
 

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" I had a hole 8" across & 14" deep to recover this Colonial copper."

There is no way I would dig a big hole like that in a public park. If I did, I would make sure the park "bigshot" wasn't watching. It seems to me like you just kinda shot yourself in the foot....JMHO.

I use a Fiskars cultivating tool---6" X 2" blade with serrated edge for cutting roots. at $7 it beats the Lesche--- light, compact and capable of slipping the throat of most warm blooded mammals or excising the heart. you may want to consider that with a target at 14" deep, you need to fit your hand in the hole. your post is at best--- absurd. deep hits require a wide plug and stuffing the loose dirt back in and then replacing the plug with a few healthy stomps----- leaves NO HOLE----GEEZ- I ain't a :tard:. farm fields get the 3 foot shovel-- try digging a target down over 2 feet with anything less. also works for a good smack upside the head :laughing9: if youze inclined to :censored: with me in da field
 

Yep, we seem to have an AWFUL LOT of squirrels in our society today.......and it don't take a lot to get them stressed.
 

Wow, I wonder if this guy is originally from Georgia? We seem to have a lot of these folks down here.....and I seem to run into them.
 

Get out some orange cones tape off the area so no one will fall into a Dixie cup hole LOL! Public safety covered. I like the out of sight out of mind approach myself.
 

... people actually leaving holes. Its those few people who cause problems for the rest of us.

Mzjavert: Don't be so sure that when some busy-body tells you "no because of holes", that there was every actually a case of that.

The first thing the md'r does when he hears that song & dance , is do exactly as you did. He says : "Durned that guy(s) who must've left holes". But what's MOST OFTEN at stake is this: THE MERE SIGHT of a metal detector , to a busy-body nosy-parker elicits images of holes. It's the knee-jerk connotation. So the busy-body just assumes "holes". IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY EVER ACTUALLY SAW ANY. And even if the DO say they "saw holes", it's often time only that they saw a guy digging (and assumed he was about to leave a mess).

You, and the previous hunters can leave utterly no trace. And the busy-body is STILL going to say : "no because of holes". So I do as T.C. says: Pick lower traffic times when the singular griper isn't around. Presto. Problem solved.
 

I use a Fiskars cultivating tool---6" X 2" blade with serrated edge for cutting roots. at $7 it beats the Lesche--- light, compact and capable of slipping the throat of most warm blooded mammals or excising the heart. you may want to consider that with a target at 14" deep, you need to fit your hand in the hole. your post is at best--- absurd. deep hits require a wide plug and stuffing the loose dirt back in and then replacing the plug with a few healthy stomps----- leaves NO HOLE----GEEZ- I ain't a :tard:. farm fields get the 3 foot shovel-- try digging a target down over 2 feet with anything less. also works for a good smack upside the head :laughing9: if youze inclined to :censored: with me in da field

I don't really care how deep you dig your holes....I'm just sayin', when ya flaunt it in front of Mr. "Bigshot in Charge," he's gonna jump on ya!
 

Cover your holes and I will feel better.
 

Port, I have been a member of the Task Force for Metal Detecting Rights Foundation for a number of years. We have interacted with numerous towns and cities across the United States.
I have personally looked into complaints made by TNET members. In some cases, they were instructed to stop detecting by people who did not have the authority to do that. A quick email to the park manager or in some cases, the mayor provided me with an email that said it was okay to metal detect.
Pm me your email address. Even if the mayor says no, they have to explain why recreational metal detecting is not allowed in public recreational parks.
 

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against-wind, I liked your post .

.... A quick email to the park manager or in some cases, the mayor provided me with an email that said it was okay to metal detect.
Pm me your email. Even if the mayor says no, they have to explain why recreational metal detecting is not allowed in recreational parks.

That authority's "ok" was, no doubt, based on actual law or rule, right ? Because even as you allude to: If they had said "no", then you would logically ask them to explain "why?". Right ? Like to say to them "based on what ?" To put the burden of proof on them to cite chapter and verse. To make sure their answer is not arbitrary and whimsical. Right ?

If so, then the citizen can likewise look that up for himself too, eh? To see if there's an actual rule or not that said "no md'ing". Right ?

What do you do if the mayor or whomever you're emailing answers back something like this: "No because we have verbiage that forbids alter and deface" ? Do you then debate them on how you leave no trace ? Or if they say "No because of verbiage that forbids harvest and remove". Then what do you do ? Or lost & found laws. Or "annoyances" laws, etc... I would just be afraid that the md'r might introduce a hot-button subject that it slated to receive legions of safe answers. When in fact, the busy-body who accosted them might be a fluke incident that could simply be avoided in the future.
 

against-wind, I liked your post .



That authority's "ok" was, no doubt, based on actual law or rule, right ? Because even as you allude to: If they had said "no", then you would logically ask them to explain "why?". Right ? Like to say to them "based on what ?" To put the burden of proof on them to cite chapter and verse. To make sure their answer is not arbitrary and whimsical. Right ?

If so, then the citizen can likewise look that up for himself too, eh? To see if there's an actual rule or not that said "no md'ing". Right ?

What do you do if the mayor or whomever you're emailing answers back something like this: "No because we have verbiage that forbids alter and deface" ? Do you then debate them on how you leave no trace ? Or if they say "No because of verbiage that forbids harvest and remove". Then what do you do ? Or lost & found laws. Or "annoyances" laws, etc... I would just be afraid that the md'r might introduce a hot-button subject that it slated to receive legions of safe answers. When in fact, the busy-body who accosted them might be a fluke incident that could simply be avoided in the future.

It is always on a case by case basis. Pretty much all parks that are maintained by a municipality had an anti-digging rule. It is designed to prevent harvesting of plants, theft of topsoil, and the prevention of hazardous conditions. Those rules will also help minimize damages in the event of a lawsuit.
It was a hard fought battle to get NYC Department of Parks and Recreation to initiate a metal detecting permit. It has expanded from the initial 12 parks to 162 parks today. The largest park consists of over 2,300 acres, including a public beach. There are still some parks that are off limits, as well as rules about where you can dig in parks where metal detecting is permitted. It's give and take.
What we don't do is quote bible and verse, or try to use documentation against the municipality we are trying to get to work with us. Education instead of confrontation is the approach that has worked best.
That is not to say that confrontation was not necessary. Public protests and demonstrtions against NYC Parks were necessary to get a seat in front of the Parks Commisioner and his representatives. The Freedom of Information Act was used to shoot holes in the accusations that people with metal detectors were damaging the park grounds. Not one single summons had been issued to an MDer in the previous 10 years. I have learned that there is a difference between a confrontational approach and a diplomatic solution. Rules can be rewritten or made, "Not Applicable" providing one has a permit. The point is to try to get to a place where the powers that be,, are willing to talk about implementing a permit system.
In the beginning, before permits, I was ready for a good fight. Like you, I would challenge or try to punch holes in existing rules. I have gotten quite an education over the years.
Look up "The Task Force for Metal Detecting Rights Foundation" They have made great strides in resolving issues involving metal detecting over the years. One particular victory was in Mason City, Iowa. Did you know that the "Powers That Be" would issue an annual Bow Hunting Permit for Deer in a public park, but they have a problem with metal detecting?? There are now metal detecting permits issued for Mason City Parks.
If I can be of assistance, just let me know.
Kevin O
 

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... Pretty much all parks that are maintained by a municipality had an anti-digging rule. ...

Correct. It might use the word "dig". Or it might say "alter" or "deface". But no matter how you slice it: Someone being asked to approve of disprove of md'ing, could envision "geeks with shovels". And say "no", based on those clauses.

And as we all know, that wording is in ALL park's boiler plate language: Yet metal detecting is common place in parks everywhere across the USA.

So when you go to fight a scram or a "no" that came from someone asking, I would be VERY careful that it is not an isolated scram or gripe from singular busy-body. Or a "no" that came about from someone who went into a city hall or park's dept. desk asking "can I metal detect?" (and simply got a "safe answer").

Yes there are times when fighting is necessary. When it is a true and enforced rule. But I would differentiate that from singular flukes. Lest a can of worms be opened up, where none existed prior to that.

As you well know: The NYC "permits" are almost a joke. Rules like not md'ing near trees ? Or can't dig beyond 4" deep, and all-such-stuff ? Whenever "permits" are dreamed up by any location, they seem to invariably be riddled with nonsense stipulations . Hence I would rather the rules be silent on the issue. Neither expressly allowing, nor expressly disallowing.
 

to clear the mistaken assumption I was in a "park", the photo shows the town hall at top, supervisor's office is at bottom left, arrow shows where I was digging at 5PM on a Friday. it is the rear lawn of town hall next to 200 year old tree ---- that BIG A$$ hole is now lookin' the same as it did at 4PM that day :dontknow:-- IMG_6792.webp

the copper I dug & showed to the dip-:censored: Bill McKenna

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note the 4 dot staggered "bands" that surround the coin--- no eye deer what this was ???:help::help:

2 more finds after the encounter with EL-:tard:'O---- he ran un- opposed and was elected Town Dunce this week

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the 4 coin Wheat spill from the forest 2 weeks ago was real good news---
the 1909-S VDB that was in the hole sold last night for $192.45 in HORRIFIC condition with major corrosion

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there ain't no stinkin' tail between my legs---- Billy will be seein' me SOON
 

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....there ain't no stinkin' tail between my legs---- Billy will be seein' me SOON

If I was finding good stuff like that, I would be back as well. And Billy would NOT be "seeing me". :skullflag: :icon_pirat: :piratehand:
 

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