kennewick man, this just in

[hmmm]

Reply-to: aperdue@tri-cityherald.com
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KENNEWICK MAN UPDATEOct. 4, 2007==================================== At your request, we are updating you on new stories regarding theKennewick Man controversy. SENATE BILL COULD UNTIE KENNEWICK MAN BONES A Senate committee has approved a bill that could clear the wayfor Native Americans to claim the ancient bones of Kennewick Man. This is the third time the change has been proposed to the NativeAmerican Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. It would ensurefederally recognized tribes could claim ancient remains even if adirect link to a tribe can't be proven. ==================================== If you no longer wish to receive this, send an e-mail to:Kennewickman-unsubscribe@lists.nandomedia.com Tri-City Herald333 W. Canal DriveKennewick, WA 99336

 

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[stefen]

Old news...please take me off of the mailing list

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HIO: Are they afraid that they may be proven to not be the origional inhabitants of the Americas? Is this why they wish to bury him as quickly as possible without an examination?

They could lose a lot of benifits if he was proven to not be related to any of our native Indian tribes and so predates them..

Don Jose de La Mancha (A wee bit Mohican)

 

[Copperhead]

What a bunch of crap....It would ensurefederally recognized tribes could claim ancient remains even if a direct link to a tribe can't be proven. ....I don't think anyone is against grave protection...but the Native Americans seem to want to claim anything or anyone buried in this country before good old Christopher got here...

HIO: Are they afraid that they may be proven to not be the origional inhabitants of the Americas? Is this why they wish to bury him as quickly as possible without an examination?

They could lose a lot of benifits if he was proven to not be related to any of our native Indian tribes and so predates them..

Don Jose de La Mancha (A wee bit Mohican)

Sure seems like it....Any remains should be studied and proven to be Native Americans before they are turned over to them...

 

[hmmm]

if i told you my story about how, me trying to bring my story to light over the last 20 years , resulted in death threats, assationation attempts, extorition and acts of terror. you would dismiss me as nuts.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,112379.0.html

 

[Copperhead]

hmmm...I read the post you mentioned before..I missed what you were conveying in it....I'd be interested in hearing your tale... not sure if you want to tell it on an open forum...I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt...but can't speak for everyone...I'd settle for a PM though..

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HIO HMM:

quote, I'd settle for a PM though
~~~~~~~~

Me too

Real_Tayopa@hotmail.com

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[hmmm]

the image of christ has been put on canves, carved in stone for thousands of years. It could have been done in the americas, all it takes is a artist in a boat.

 

[flashgordon]

I don't agree with you. The scientists were unable to replicate any of the Kennewick Man's DNA; the craniomorphology of the skull resembled that of Caucasiod peoples from the Late Pleistocene, which has been confused by people as meaning European (which it does not). For the most comprehensive overview of the topic, you should read Respect for the Ancestors http://www.bauuinstitute.com/Publishing/RespectAncestors.html. It covers the Kennewick Man case, the evidence, and gives a straight forward picture.

 

[bakergeol]

Gleamed from the article below.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/060425183740.htm


"What the experts were able to ascertain from their brief encounter with Kennewick is that he did not look like a Native American. In fact, Berryman says Kennewick’s facial features are most similar to those of a Japanese group called the Ainu, who have a different physical makeup and cultural background from the ethnic Japanese.

Some Ainu’s facial features appear European. Their eyes may lack the Asian almond-shaped appearance, and their hair may be light and curly in color. However, this does not mean that Kennewick Man necessarily was European in origin. His features more closely resemble those of the natives of the Pacific Rim than those of Native Americans."


It does bring up the sensitive issue that today's Native Americans were not the first inhabitants of North America. Like the later Europeans, successive waves of immigration were the order of the day.

George

 

[Tricia]

And the badlands of the west have the richest dinosaur beds even though they are nothing but dry scrubland. NOW. Supposedly they were a rich tropical environment that supported many different forms of life.

Who really knows what was going on in the past in terms of human migration over North America. We've found fossils and assigned them dates and speculated they were indiginous. It's a guessing game. Maybe an educated guess but still, no one is 100% sure.

When I was growing up dinosaurs were green and dumb. Now they have color and intelligence.

The more we study these things the more we learn.

Same is true in Anthropology. The more we know, the more we know. Ya know?

 

[Tricia]

Read an interesting book once. Based on fact. Called "Give me my father's body". It's about an Eskimo boy and his father that were taken from their home to do what was the then equivelent of the lecture circuit. They were put on display and studied.

Not too long after coming from their homeland the boy's father died. Since the boy was a minor he became a ward of the "scientist" who had brought him down from the arctic and he had no legal rights or even citizenship.

The museum where the "scientist" worked had the boy's father's body put on display. Dressed in traditional costume. The boy wasn't allowed to take his father home and give him a proper burial.

Many Native American's were treated as a curiosity, an ignorant godless savage, or an enemy. So what is so bad about wanting to claim and protect an ancestor they believe came from their people?

Nothing.

If the Kenewick Man case was handled properly from the beginning none of this would be happening. There are plenty of Native American experts who are just as interested in studying remains as are other scientists. But they want it done respectfully and not as part of some screwed up power struggle over a possible museum drawing card.

 

[hmmm]

here is a good example of taking credit for others history .
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,107185.0.html

 

[imafishingnutt]

I have an ideah
Why dont they just trade the a couple bottles of whiskey for him.

 

[hmmm]

IT WOULD WORK TILL THE WHISKY IS GONE, THEN THEY WILL WANT HIM BACK.

 

[hmmm]

HMMM

http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/aboriginalplanet/mission/mcnews_260802-en.asp

 

[Copperhead]

Many Native American's were treated as a curiosity, an ignorant godless savage, or an enemy. So what is so bad about wanting to claim and protect an ancestor they believe came from their people?

Nothing.

Nothing wrong with it - if it was true, but at this point, it has not proven true.

My personal belief is that they want it back, not to honor it, but to "bury" any evidence that may prove to the contrary. Again, just my opinion.

B

There is nothing wrong with that statement...but that doesn't seem to be the case... IMO.. they want to lay claim to him regardless of any lineage.. kind of shuts the door on trying to trace other groups that might have had no connection to them what so ever…..sorry that ain’t right..


Here's a good link of this subject…

http://www.kennewick-man.com/index.html

Check out the legal documents section and read the NAGPRA….

I cropped the definition in question….

SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.
For purposes of this Act, the term--
(9) `Native American' means of, or relating to, a tribe, people, or culture that is indigenous to the United States.


The new wording would be:

Native American' means of, or relating to, a tribe, people, or culture that is or was indigenous to the United States.



here's the link to the full story referenced above...

http://www.kennewick-man.com/kman/news/story/9353940p-9266881c.html

 

[hmmm]

its called "hiding history" i spent years argueing about kennewick man on the tri cities. forum.http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,112379.0.html

 

[hmmm]

hmmm

 

[thompy]

i read a book by Sodders, pertaining to Michigan's copper culture, it covered some strange findings over the last 150 years. one topic was the mounds Indians of lower Mi., like every fifth mound that was tilled for farming in the late 1800's they were finding tablet with christian hieroglyphs and a strange writting that really wasn't I.D. but was thought to come from the roman controlled areas through the east like Mongolian, these people were fleeing persecution , the language seemed to have influences from different cultures. there were many tables and historians of the time said they were all fakes even though they came from 17 different counties, most were destroyed. this book was very intresting but who knows how accurate, it was written with factual findings but interpreted through her .definitely an eye opener