Last weeks finds (one paleo?)

[yakker]

Last week's finds (one paleo?)

Boy, you would have thought what with all the crazy rain and wind (and nearly a tornado one day!)over the past couple weeks that there would be more washing up and/or out of the area waterways. I walked for miles and miles, kayaked even more. What I found was scattered and random. And my photo-abilities are still lacking- especially w/ the white quartz(ite) piece- which is really quite beautifully made, considering the temperamental nature of quartz(ite). So here are some pics:

First, I found this little guy making his way to the water- for the first time, I'm thinking. Little (whipper)snapper!



Then I saw this- not easy to see, but seeing as I was nearly crawling around the algae-covered beach debris...



The material is just awful- probably wasn't always, but now seems pretty 'soft' Hence the lack of good sharp edges and work. but the base is definitely ground and a light flute on one side.





What to you all think? I know the pics aren't great, but I did the best I could to show this important parts.
Here are some more:
That white one with such nice work- which doesn't show up very well at all. And the other (dart?) has nice lateral flaking. I think that's what it's called.


This little corner notch is worked where it looks broken at the tip. And has a nice hafting flute. Perhaps used for a knife?



a couple of little flake blades:





Those 2 brokes are sad... and I didn't attempt close-ups of the pottery (mostly non-descript) or the tips and bits- although I did find one red tip that looks as though it might fit a base I found a while ago- which I'll have to find and try for size/fit. I'll post it if it works out!

Thank you for looking! I'd love to know what you guys think about the ground-based piece at the top-(or anything else you see that's interesting or deserves closer inspection )
Happy Hunting!
Yakker

 

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[Montgomery]

Beautiful finds, Yakker! It is very difficult to tell from the pictures, but, depending on where these were found, the lanceolate may be a Fox Creek. They often were made form rhyolite and, as yours appears to be, argillite -- which weathers quite severely. Of course, I could be dead wrong. Where were these found? The corner notch looks like a Jack's Reef; the contracting stem point looks like what I regionally would call a piscataway or a re-sharpened Poplar Island. The quartz ovate is a drop-dead killer!

Kindest regards,
Monty

 

[ptsofnc]

You sure do have great success with your waterway searches! Thanks for showing!

 

[jamey]

hello yaker,we have something like that in tn its called a hi-lo i think,good hunt and thanks for sharing,sorry yaker that might have been in michigan were i saw them

 

[GatorBoy]

Well now! Hey hey! Yakety yak!
Could it be? It looks like.... I think it might... Sure appears...

 

[GatorBoy]

Here is a Clovis from Caroline County Maryland

 

[painterx7]

That is awesome !!!! NOTWORTY !!!!

 

[curious kat]

Some very nice finds...and that white one is beautiful even in a picture that's not super clear....and nice shape on that black point!

 

[yakker]

Well thank you thank you thank you! All that milage had to be worth something, eh?

Monty- I'm on the Eastern Shore of MD. And I bet you're right on argillite. It has certainly seen better days. Jamey- I think you're being too generous. I'm not really in the hi-lo area. I have a bad tendency to not give 'names' to the pieces I find, but we do find a lot of Poplar Isl. around here. Jack's Reef too. That one's a super-flat example. The tear-drop is the prize for good looks. And if I'm honest, I think Fox Creek (I'm used to calling them Steubenville) is probably right, alas (sigh). But since you're on the line, what do you think about this one- which I've shown before, but because I'm a little sad right now... hoping this is better than my rough little Joe Woodland. I've always thought it was Paleo, but now I'm unsure. Different lithic altogether, which helps:


Never hurts to get a second opinion...

Happy Hunting everyone- and thanks again for all input! Yakker

 

[redbeardrelics]

Wow, Yakker, nice finds, I am officially jealous
Hard to tell on the paleo Seubenville. It sure looks fluted and has the convex base expected on a paleo point, but being argilte or some sort of siltstone, does cast the Fox Creek/Steubenville doubts. I sure like the quartz teardrop/ovoid/willow leaf point, looks like a real nice grade of quartz and workmanship on that one. The larger constricting stem point looks well made and still sharp as well, but I think I lust most after the dark flint notched point. I would guess it probably is a Jacks Reef style, and I am curious if it has any grinding on the base. They say some of the Jacks reefs have some light basal grinding, but I have only ever found one lesser example, and it is not ground, so I am still looking to learn more about them. Great hunt, now with 1 1/4" of good rain last night, I am out the door as soon as the coffee is finished for a long walk. HH

 

[redbeardrelics]

PS. I think your other point is without doubt Paleo, and a great example at that 1

 

[rock]

Looks like a Paleo to me in those last shots. Looks like a type of flint but it is still a bit blurry. Pic is good enough to say Paleo for me though, Congrats

 

[GatorBoy]

I've seen ooooold.. flint artifacts that have weathered to the point of being chalky.

 

[Montgomery]

PS. I think your other point is without doubt Paleo, and a great example at that 1

Oh my gosh -- the one you just posted is stunning! In my opinion, the pictures leave no question about what that one is. Clovis. Classic, eastern Clovis. Wow.

PS: Stuebenville and Fox Creek I believe describe the same lanceolate blade -- originally identified by Ritchie, I believe.

What great stuff.

Kindest regards,

Monty

 

[yakker]

1st- Thanks Monty- I love that one. It was a huge adrenalin rush to find it- exposed only briefly by a soft, sandy wave. A moment later, and I wouldn't have seen it. Had someone seen me, I'm certain I looked like a pie-eyed cat on the verge of going crazy, as they do...

(and thank you Gator, for your vote of confidence, but I'm still not sure...)

Now, as I try to compare various ground base points, I think the kicker is that the one I just found- the argillite, well-worn one- has barbs- or extrusions on each side. That would seem to indicate something a little newer. I'm looking at this site- LITHICS-Net - Point Types Indexed by Shape and still scratching my head. Seems to me, reading all that information, the majority of points made around these parts waaaay back then were made of pretty decent material. There was no shortage, so long as people were traveling and trading- being nomads, as they were. I know there are exceptions to the 'rule', but generally speaking, that seems to be a factor in assessing the age of a piece- given that there were/are some major similarities between old points and newer ones, relatively speaking.

If you click on the shape (I clicked on anything remotely similar) and look at the similarities- then the relative dates associated with them, it's a little crazy. Obviously certain technologies re-appeared throughout the ages- or simply continued through generations because of the success of the design.

So I honestly haven't got a clue. But what's new?! What I will do is try to locate all of the points I have of that relative shape and post as steady a pic as I can of the group. Maybe that will shed some light on what I seem to be finding around here.

The jury's definitely not out. I just have to do due diligence (as best I can w/ my limited knowledge base).

Again, I truly appreciate everyone's comments and observations. And Redbeard- stay safe out there- the weather seems a bit temperamental these days!

HH! Yak (etty-yak)

 

[Charl]

Hey yakker, some real nice finds there, and I think folks have been pretty good with the suggested ID's. I don't know if that mystery piece is Paleo or a Middle Woodland Fox Creek Lanceolate or Steubenville Lanceolate. But not hard to see why that type was considered to be Late Paleo until they were finally found in a datable Middle Woodland context. Here's a crappy example of a Fox Creek Lanceolate from RI, Made of a poor grade of felsite.

 

[Charl]

Two types of Fox Creek points, Lanceolate and Stemmed. First pic is a group of Fox Creek Lanceolate and then 2 examples of Fox Creek Stemmed. From RI.

 

[theviking]

Nice finds! Love the Jacks Reef with the big thinning strike on the base, one of my favorite types. Cant help with the I.D. on the first piece, it does look old. Have you ever checked out "Diagnostic Artifacts in Maryland", they have some interesting facts about material used for different types. Thanks for the view.
Diagnostic Artifacts in Maryland

Diagnostic Artifacts in Maryland

 

[Americus]

You had a nice hunt and I enjoyed seeing your finds.

 

[GatorBoy]

Anyone who has looked up the Fox Creek point can you answer me where the widest part of that point is... whether it's above or below the mid-line.?
This does not look like those examples to me