looking for help with Mexico 8

[steelheadwill]

Hi all,
I'm trying to work on a trade to acquire this piece.
neither the owner nor I have an idea of its date or valueation.
I've browsed some completed auctions, but I can't even be sure I'm comparing the same thing.
I'd certainly appreciate some input it's era and approximate market value...

Thanks for looking and HH everyone, Herbie.

 

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[stevemc]

Could be Mexican, but I am thinking Potosi or Columbian, early 1600s what ever it is. Strange patina, almost looks sand blasted and defintly seen some abuse. Hard to see any detail to tell exactly what it is. Maybe some of the experts will let us know what they think.

 

[steelheadwill]

I thought the same about origins, the cross arms look more like the south american coins,

(narrower?) owner says mexico. I am an absolute novice, so am ready to listen. Thanks!

 

[Mackaydon]

I'd put the onus on the seller; if he can't properly ID the coin (can he authenticate it?) I'd only offer him the silver value--if it's silver. If the coin could be ID-ed then that's another story, but the condition of the coin seems to preclude identification. Personally, I'd 'pass' on the 'opportunity' to buy it.
Don.....

 

[dagfoto]

Old world Spainisn mint circa 1600-1620's .. maybe Toledo .. Two small inner shields inside main large shield..

see, http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/spanish-cobs/88245-assayers-toledo-spain-mint.html
for similar..

 

[stevemc]

dagfoto, it is about impossible to tell where it is from. Remember all silver cobs that had a shield, had the Hapsburg shield up until 1700, then the Bourbon shield through 1715 I think. The coin in your reference link has T for Toledo, Spain, but that is CHARLES II Hapsburg, possibly, cob, which would date from 1665 to 1700. The new world cobs and old world cobs had the mark of the king of that era, no matter what part of the world. Unless really looking close on a cob, and hopefully in good shape, it is possible to at least tell from the shield which king was in rule. Other things will help to date it too, like a date, mint letter, or cross and assayer. This cob has cross with castile and leon, and a basic Hapsburg shield, seems to be pre Charles II, it appears to have fluer de lis instead of trumpets in the New Burgandy section, but I am not sure if that was ever not like that in a pre charles II. but hard to date. That is why I feel it is early 1600, and the cross appears not to be Mexican, but still cant tell. There are so many variations in cobs and all the different denominations, and mints, that unless it is in good shape it is very hard to tell much. This cob is in very poor shape to figure anything from. It looks like it was beat between 2 concrete blocks.

 

[steelheadwill]

"the cross appears not to be Mexican, but still cant tell. There are so many variations in cobs and all the different denominations, and mints, that unless it is in good shape it is very hard to tell much. This cob is in very poor shape to figure anything from. It looks like it was beat between 2 concrete blocks."
Thanks everyone!
I know the owner and believe it authentic.
I would like an 8 reale in my collection, anyone throw a dollar value out so we can make a trade Best wishes, Herbie.

 

[Mackaydon]

$5 over the spot price of 23 grams of silver.
IMO, its value is limited to education and conversation.
Don........

 

[dagfoto]

Old world Spainisn mint circa 1600-1620's .. maybe Toledo .. Two small inner shields inside main large shield..

see, http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/spanish-cobs/88245-assayers-toledo-spain-mint.html
for similar..

easy 'nuf to see at this end .. I'd bet your money on it

 

[HISPAN]

Great Real Reale !!!! ...congrats .

 

[Trez]

Well here are my thoughts on the piece. It isn't Mexico, pretty comfortable in that id.
It is in pretty worn shape to make a positive ID, but some things I see make me lean towards,
Philip IV .- Seville Mint is my guess and yes details are hard to make out to be positive.
Value depends on the owner and then a buyer.
It isn't worth much, but is a nice hunk of old world silver and does have some history.
I would put a value of $50.00. Again, only my thoughts and value.
Good luck with it in whichever way you go, Some lessons pay off later

 

[stevemc]

dagfoto, you could be right on the 2 shields. Just hard to make much out. Trez feels it is Spain minted too. I have to agree. I am just used to looking at New World minted cobs. If I found it I would keep it!