LOST, LOST, AND STILL LOST in the SUPERSTITIONS?

[jeff of pa]

My question to be proposed, hypothetically speaking, if all the cards WERE to fit,

WHAT WOULD BE ENOUGH PROOF FOR THE FORUM'S 1000's of members that the Dutchman's Mine has been found?

And that it was found to be a part of a larger Land Grab that was kept secret by telling lie after lie after lie to keep it a Mystery, to be LOST FOREVER?
CAN ANYONE ELSE PROPOSE A THEORY FOR THE MATHEMATICAL WIZARDRY View attachment 1146802USED TO DECIPHER THE CODES THAT ARE UNEXPLAINED?View attachment 1146801

If you are still looking for the Vault that Waltz said existed, then you better look at this

The Simpson Papers | Beale Cipher

I don't know about the others here,
But for me to be confident it was found.

I think it would take AP to pick up the story & the 3 Major networks to
show up.
other then that, The Government declaring it off limits
after a goodly amount of photographs with non disputable evidence is also shared.
I suppose it is slightly possible the Government got there first, But is there property
in the superstitions that is off limits ?

Sorry ! but I could say I found a Pirate Treasure, But .. without it being officially proven as belonging
to a pirate it's all just speculation, Right ?

as for the second part

MATHEMATICAL WIZARDRY USED TO DECIPHER THE CODES

?
only in bedtime stories imo.
But I don't get upset if members believe Humpty Dumpty was real & fell off a Wall

 

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[Oroblanco]

But I don't get upset if members believe Humpty Dumpty was real & fell off a Wall

Wait a minute there Jeff - are you telling me there isn't a real Humpty Dumpty?

Eldo, you seem frustrated at the doubts of our members to your claims. Please realize that over 200 different people have all claimed to have found the LDM, and probably half that many have "solved" the Peralta stones. Only one had gold that looked to be a match to what Jacob Waltz had, and he was found dead so can't say where he found it.

It might help your case if you could get some photos of the mine, the vein of gold in place, maybe bring out a specimen of the ore so that a comparison could be done with the existing specimens from Waltz. Lode gold is a bit like fingerprints in that the gold from each vein is unique, a good geologist could tell you which mine a particular specimen came from. If you can bring out a specimen of ore that matches the gold in the famous matchbox, you would have a very strong case that you had found the Lost Dutchman mine. As to solving the Peralta stones, many others have solved it and always ending up at very different places. Just as with the LDM, all these different places can not all be right.

For a reference, here is a photo of the gold ore matchbox made from ore found in a candle box under Jacob Waltz's deathbed.



Don't take it personal that a lot of people are skeptical about your claims. It is just that we have seen SO many others make very much the same claims, and never have any gold to show, much less a mine, the vein of ore in place etc. If we just believed every one that claimed it, then the LDM has been found over 200 times and in 200 different places, only there is no gold in them. It is a lost GOLD mine after all, we should expect that someone who finds it will bring out at least a specimen that can be tested and compared.

Good luck and good hunting amigos I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

 

[releventchair]

Skip, skip ,skip to my Lue. Skip to my Lue my darlin.
After L.D.M. and Beale, maybe the Lue's next to be announced solved,again, too?
Sure some pretty Ore on that matchbox.

 

[cw0909]

Eldo, i was expecting a branding iron, LOL

 

[cw0909]

maybe this will help, i think i see now
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/beale-codes/458351-simpson-papers.html

 

[austin]

Just going to tell(again) a story from my youth. Eigteen or so and worked at a Shakey's Pizza Parlor here in San Antonio. We had a banjo player named Jerry who I really liked. One night after I was promoted(to asst. mgr) Jerry bought me a beer, sat me down and told me of he and his partner's Sheelite(ore of tungsten)mine in the Superstitions that they had worked in the 1930's. He drew me a map and being a hippy go for it guy, a friend and I headed out there. South of Weaver's Needle about a mile, there are three small canyons. Sheelite mine on the right and Indian (Apache) guards in the first canyon. Jerry swore they guarded the LDM. All wore a uniform and a federal officer's badge. He and his partner were warned never to enter the far left canyon. Using the map we found the Sheelite mine, went into the middle canyon, but never saw the far left one. True? Not true? I am doing this from memory because while teaching school for 30 years, I had a student doing a report on the LDM, gave her the map, she got an A, I got a hug and that's that. Never went into that canyon and always told folks that the middle canyon was the LDM. Jerry swore the U.S. gov't. was mining or protecting the gold. Now, having said all this, I want to remind everyone that the only gold I have ever seen from there was what sgtfda? or Frank found. That is the first wealth I've ever seen there and proves that gold does exist. Whether it is a vein or like Texas, left over after erosion(wind, water and ice) have washed down into smaller deposits. That's it. Have no idea what the real truth is, don't care. Always had money, a good job and spent the summers traveling in Europe and later playing golf. Well, that's the story...

 

[cw0909]

wow i just ran across a mine by that name, looking for carrol 2 in the
stone tablets are fakes thread
Albert Anderson | U.S. Claims | The Diggings?

 

[markmar]

Eldo

I don't say how I know where lead the stone tablets , but I will be honest and I will tell you about the cypher . The numbers and the sign mean :
The 2 mines are parallel with the 3 mines ( in the heart ) and have between ( the lines ) them the last point ( end ) of the stone trail . Following the stone trail ( 18 lugares ) from the end point to the start and parallel with that , the mines become 7 ( the two lower X of the trail , because the upper X is one of the three heart's mines ) .

 

[txtea]

My question to be proposed, hypothetically speaking, if all the cards WERE to fit,

WHAT WOULD BE ENOUGH PROOF FOR THE FORUM'S 1000's of members that the Dutchman's Mine has been found?

And that it was found to be a part of a larger Land Grab that was kept secret by telling lie after lie after lie to keep it a Mystery, to be LOST FOREVER?
CAN ANYONE ELSE PROPOSE A THEORY FOR THE MATHEMATICAL WIZARDRY <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1146802"/>USED TO DECIPHER THE CODES THAT ARE UNEXPLAINED?<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1146801"/>

If you are still looking for the Vault that Waltz said existed, then you better look at this

The Simpson Papers | Beale Cipher

When did Waltz say there was a vault?
That's the 1st time I've heard that one...

Hey Austin, fellow San Antonian here...used to frequent the Shakey's on Fredricksburg rd. back in the 70's. Small world...

 

[Eldo]

Eldo,

Just because I can read, don't hate. Maybe you should check out a library sometime. Might learn some authentic history, instead of made-up internet history.

.....and yes, I do buy books as well. That pic just happened to be of a book I own. Maybe if you bought books about REAL history instead of downloading imaginary works of fiction and treating them as biographies, you might not be making such outlandish claims.

.....or even better...... instead of telling everyone how stupid they are and how smart you are, why not zip on down to Arizona and prove it! If you are so certain you know where the LDM is, then what does it matter if you quit your job for the trip? Heck, you found the Lost Dutchman. You will be rich.

Funny thing....another know-it-all Lost Dutchman finder that called himself BlindBowman was doing the EXACT same thing as you. Called everybody stupid. He claimed to have found the Lost Dutchman on Google Earth. He was soooo much smarter than everybody else, but to his credit (as opposed to you), he actually came to the Lost Dutchman Rendezvous and hiked into the Mountains to prove his point. What he found was one of Chuck Crawford's old claims from the 1970s. He came back and apologized for being a jerk. So, come on down and show those dumb s***kickers how right you are.

So, until you hike in and prove your theory, or admit how wrong you are. I-G-N-O-R-E

Take Care - Mike

Who is acting stupid?

You guys are the most intelligent people I have talked to in a long while...beside the subtle undertone is sarcasm here...

THE LIBRARY I WAS MENTIONING IS A HALF NAKED BAR IN TEMPE, AZ.......I ran that town for years.....LOL....

The Tall Tale Telling Cowboy you called me, well my Paper Heart is on Fire right now......

You know 944 magazine even said that the James Hotel was the hottest new kid on the block

..I do know the challenge for you all to recognize who I am is is greater than your rebuttles....LOL....

but you will come to know my work....especially on my own posts

That's why I actually told you ahead of time, and invited a bunch of you.

1)........so you aren't ending up the LOST LOST LOST Dutchmen....
2) so you wont be trying to gig jump me and follow me here to my mines......to make a half witted show using my work online

how easily your balanced rocks teeter on the thought of losing the claims you have made, and now we see the true competition face to face.

But the real problem is that everyone wants to assert their facts in numerous tales.....each one of you has numerous posts here.

Why am I being played a fool by your trash talking provocateurs...?

Because jealousy manifests itself, its an emotion you have shown me you are not in control over, and you all carry guns into a Hiking Area, braggin about your safety, for what?

A TWO DAY HIKE.........Such rugged men in large numbers too, who get out there and feel the creature comforts calling you back to base, just knowing its a lost cause..

COFFEE ANYONE?

is it hard living the mystery out seeing its a Confederate Ruse? I wouldn't be caught dead with that gold in my hands. I want the truth to be shown here.

With the Simpson comments and the other slams, you go to the recycle bin.

Our family is from a long line of non-partisan Union affiliations who are not controlled by the media, and are independently established to uncover more of these mysteries for the preseervation and historical sake of the true american history that is here in these solves I have made.

An example of my 'sanity' is not leaving Vermont to wander around for another 50 years after discovering a map.

An example would be to locate the troves, the history, and then to contact the people involved, like the Apache, the Embassy of Spain, and lay claim to the discovery with the team of Archaeologists moving to protect the area as we speak.

And now sanity is giving you the option to buy out now, and take some of your own medicine......

And maybe some of you are busy in the hunt, or want to be on next season's hunt.......Shows you haven't done your homework.......sorry just fact....if you feel insulted or less intelligent because I am proud of my work.....

I challenge you to BREAK THE CODE THEN.

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Fact is not one of you had the morals to even try to consider why these men died for this gold......just slipped you by in the pursuit of the LOST DUTCHMAN ??

Looks like I was calling the naysayers and the other Gold Thieves out, seeing how being completely oblivious is now an excuse for shooting off your guns on TV.

Again, you wont make me that person, and no matter what you say here, it has 0 affect on my life and my work.

In fact I opt out of the ignore button, because you actually deserve the peace of mind I carry.

Have Fun....all your wanderings are over.

 

[Eldo]

Wait a minute there Jeff - are you telling me there isn't a real Humpty Dumpty?

Eldo, you seem frustrated at the doubts of our members to your claims. Please realize that over 200 different people have all claimed to have found the LDM, and probably half that many have "solved" the Peralta stones. Only one had gold that looked to be a match to what Jacob Waltz had, and he was found dead so can't say where he found it.

It might help your case if you could get some photos of the mine, the vein of gold in place, maybe bring out a specimen of the ore so that a comparison could be done with the existing specimens from Waltz. Lode gold is a bit like fingerprints in that the gold from each vein is unique, a good geologist could tell you which mine a particular specimen came from. If you can bring out a specimen of ore that matches the gold in the famous matchbox, you would have a very strong case that you had found the Lost Dutchman mine. As to solving the Peralta stones, many others have solved it and always ending up at very different places. Just as with the LDM, all these different places can not all be right.

For a reference, here is a photo of the gold ore matchbox made from ore found in a candle box under Jacob Waltz's deathbed.

View attachment 1147003

Don't take it personal that a lot of people are skeptical about your claims. It is just that we have seen SO many others make very much the same claims, and never have any gold to show, much less a mine, the vein of ore in place etc. If we just believed every one that claimed it, then the LDM has been found over 200 times and in 200 different places, only there is no gold in them. It is a lost GOLD mine after all, we should expect that someone who finds it will bring out at least a specimen that can be tested and compared.

Good luck and good hunting amigos I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

Cool Lighter......worth a fortune too. Dont ever sell that one.

Trust there is hope in the official stuff...the Archaeologists are interested in the physical location now as a preserve, and a historical site afterwards for the Apache to make sacred if they will allow it. i just have to afford their travel to the area which is minimal, and they said they will help document the finds.....it will be the best Archaeological find in a long time.

Whether a permit to dig will be offered, we will have to ask for scanning rights first, but will easily be able to make the claim for investigative purposes, now that the Spanish are coming, and the Natives are pleased we have worked to secure their older troves, in a formal manner including making the announcements to the Embassy, for additional recognition.

This is being orchestrated to bring more light to the fact that neither side either died, or were murdering the other in a war between them over the mines. it will clarify the fact that the settlers who were migrating westward were the ones who were bringing the confederate intent of the manifest destiny policy they were plotting.

Calling the NY Times and Playboy today......Media Moguls first.

 

[Eldo]

Eldo

I don't say how I know where lead the stone tablets , but I will be honest and I will tell you about the cypher . The numbers and the sign mean :
The 2 mines are parallel with the 3 mines ( in the heart ) and have between ( the lines ) them the last point ( end ) of the stone trail . Following the stone trail ( 18 lugares ) from the end point to the start and parallel with that , the mines become 7 ( the two lower X of the trail , because the upper X is one of the three heart's mines ) .

I need you to read this so you can see there is no code relating to the mines in AZ.....

These were symbolic dates that the men were involved in mining the claims there, as they went on a 2 year conract, leaving for the mine in the 3rd month, mining for 18 months, making a deposit, returning to the area to mine for 7 more, then returning to make the second deposit, then making the rounds back, when they were killed off by their own men, Confederate Soldiers.

This can all be found here...

The Simpson Papers | Beale Cipher

The Heart Stones have markings for each cache in VA

(I) for the first deposit

((I)) for the second deposit

 

[Eldo]

When did Waltz say there was a vault?
That's the 1st time I've heard that one...

Waltz said that No Miner will find my gold. He was making reference that the mines were in a different area....away from Miner's Needle

Waltz said to look through the "Eye" of the Needle to find the mine. He was making reference to the eye of a sewing needle, horizontally laid on its side, like the shape of an eye would seem

Waltz said that to find his mine you have to know where the Vault is located, and vice versa.....meaning there was another location and a series of ways to find them using the two separate sets of clues.

Waltz told them this all, and they even tried to make a map. I can walk you through the easy way to the mines...or the way he tried to send them to get lost looking, the more confusing way where they wandered Old Apache Trail looking for the climb up.

I have found both ways to the mines.

 

[Oroblanco]

Eldo wrote

Cool Lighter......worth a fortune too. Dont ever sell that one.

　
Perhaps you did not read my previous post? That is not a lighter, it is a match box. It does resemble a lighter, but lighters had not been invented yet when that was made. I do not personally own it so I won't be selling it.

　
Eldo also wrote

Trust there is hope in the official stuff <snip>

Don't be too surprised if you get a negative response. Those officials have heard and seen all kinds of wild stuff before, including secret alien bases under the Superstitions, a supposed whole tribe of Apaches still living undetected there, and a "Time portal" where you could step through to go dinosaur hunting! A couple of friends were even asked to be hired on as guides to go hunting dinosaurs in the Superstitions. So you are likely to run into a skeptical response at the least.

　
Just an opinion but I think your best bet would be to approach one of the 'reality' TV shows, or even Scott Wolter of America Unearthed, to present your case. You would then have a national venue and public audience/recognition which you seem to be seeking.

America Unearthed - Want to Be on America Unearthed? - HISTORY.com

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

 

[Hal Croves]

Eldo wrote


　
Perhaps you did not read my previous post? That is not a lighter, it is a match box. It does resemble a lighter, but lighters had not been invented yet when that was made. I do not personally own it so I won't be selling it.

　
Eldo also wrote


Don't be too surprised if you get a negative response. Those officials have heard and seen all kinds of wild stuff before, including secret alien bases under the Superstitions, a supposed whole tribe of Apaches still living undetected there, and a "Time portal" where you could step through to go dinosaur hunting! A couple of friends were even asked to be hired on as guides to go hunting dinosaurs in the Superstitions. So you are likely to run into a skeptical response at the least.

　
Just an opinion but I think your best bet would be to approach one of the 'reality' TV shows, or even Scott Wolter of America Unearthed, to present your case. You would then have a national venue and public audience/recognition which you seem to be seeking.

America Unearthed - Want to Be on America Unearthed? - HISTORY.com

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

Yes, the Wolter's taint. The only problem is that it doesn't ever wash off.

 

[Oroblanco]

Yes, the Wolter's taint. The only problem is that it doesn't ever wash off.

It would be rather the right kind of venue for what our amigo seems to be seeking though, would you not agree?

 

[Hal Croves]

It would be rather the right kind of venue for what our amigo seems to be seeking though, would you not agree?

Honestly, it's more than I can wrap my head around.
At this point, I think that everyone should have their own show.

 

[markmar]

Eldo

I have read the Simpson Papers and something seems odd to me .

Simpson wrote : " These numbers were found by Simpson to be the exact times that Beale’s men went on a 2 year contract, in a ‘perilous enterprise’, leaving for the mine in the 3rd month of March, arriving at the mine to dig for 18 months, returning one trove to VA, then returning to mine for another 7 months to return a second trove to VA, to return to be massacred in the valley, now named for the bodies found there. "

I believe 18+7=25 ( two years and one month ) . And if the contract had ended , why he returned again ( when been massacred )?
And , the mines will be there forever . Who cares how long was a contract of any temporary miner .

 

[Old]

Hi Marius,

Here's my totally uneducated spin on this. I don't think that's what the stone says. I think it says there are 18 mines, two of which are predominately copper mines and 7 of which are gold lodes.

Everybody has their own version......... that's just mine.

As you were, continued on please.

 

[Old]

Sorry Marius,

That should have read 2 copper, 9 (maybe more) gold lode.

Regardless, I think it has more to do with the number of mines and what they contain.