March 14 of 2011 .. My last day of hunting in South America.

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Hello my friends ! :hello:
This is my last post on this vacations, and wanted to be a little more scientific and explanations .
This place is near the Pacific coast in a remote part of Ecuador. Ecuador is a country in South America where they originated many different cultures from around 3000 BC.
These metal findings are in the last culture that developed here, just before the arrival of the first Spanish , this culture is called Manteño and was contemporary of the Chimu (remember the burial of the Señor de Sipan ) and also of the Incas with whom went to war.
The Manteños were good traders and artisans, carrying their products throughout the Pacific coast (the necklaces of shells and pottery) in this place have appeared a lot of these products .... and also found in two site visits:
6 Tweezers , 3 Rings and 15 Axes - coins.(All done in copper.)
These fifteen axes made ​​from high purity copper were accepted as payment for the pre-Columbian tribes .
With them to purchase goods of value. They are usually found in graves in northern Peru and Ecuador, but in the " fields" where I have been detecting the bones and ash not appeared to show that were buried in a tomb .... rather it is deposited offerings in pottery vessels buried and possibly ask the gods for a good harvest or something similar ( am studying this subject.)
with the flowering of cultures Chincha, Ishma, Chimu, Lambayeque, Tumbes and Manteño , it generated intense functional and trade that stretched from the present-day Peru to Ecuador, even to Mexico. The copper axes, facilitated exchanges between these cultures. On the raft he found the Spanish pilot Ruiz in 1526, at sea at the height of the Ecuadorian coast, shortly before the conquest of Peru, it discovered copper Axes . which demonstrates the use these Axes as a medium of exchange.
 

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Very good information !!
Nice axe finds, indeed. But tell
me, are these not a copper alloy ?
I would think pure copper would
be too soft a metal for an axe ?

:icon_scratch:

Thanks for the photos !

:thumbsup:
 

ouachitacaveman said:
Very good information !!
Nice axe finds, indeed. But tell
me, are these not a copper alloy ?
I would think pure copper would
be too soft a metal for an axe ?

:icon_scratch:

Thanks for the photos !

:thumbsup:

yes ... the Tweezers are actually Copper-Silver and the Axes Copper- arsenic. :thumbsup:
but are not used as an ax in really are the coins.
Greetings and welcome to the Treasurenet family !
 

Hello my friend, I'm sure you are ready for some Pantumaca (bread with tomatoes) :wink:

These are amazing finds, but probably because they are so different from everything we are used to, we the watchers don't quite grasp the age of them and the importance. :icon_scratch:

I like them very much, congratulations :notworthy: :notworthy:

Cheers

Nutria
 

Nutriasub said:
Hello my friend, I'm sure you are ready for some Pantumaca (bread with tomatoes) :wink:

These are amazing finds, but probably because they are so different from everything we are used to, we the watchers don't quite grasp the age of them and the importance. :icon_scratch:

I like them very much, congratulations :notworthy: :notworthy:

Cheers

Nutria


Here there are many people who are specialists in anthropology of Native Americans and who have followed my journey through these lands, (over a thousand visits to the last post confirms this interest) :wink: , I like this, also the jewels and coins the beach ... :laughing7:

P.D:
Do not talk of " pan con tomate ,ni del jamon serrano , ni del caldo Gallego , ni de los callos a la Madrileña ".... I take two months eating to Burguers and fried chicken. :-\
Greetings !
H
 

Those are great, Thanks for sharing!
 

Interesting finds! So these axes were not functional, but rather used as currency between tribes? How big are they?
 

:hello:

Great story Hispan, you have had a wonderfull time there, and I know you appreciate the cultures of many Countries...are you saying that the axes are Grave goods, or trading goods. Have a safe journey home, my Freind :headbang:

SS
 

Great finds mate :icon_thumleft:

Hurry home though :laughing7:
 

Great finds Hispan! :notworthy:
Just goes to prove there's history in the ground everywhere in the world! :icon_thumright:

Dave
 

Wow that's a lot of axes :o
 

where are you going next?
 

Nate in Ga said:
Those are great, Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for the Reply. :thumbsup:
H
Steve in PA said:
Interesting finds! So these axes were not functional, but rather used as currency between tribes? How big are they?

Were not functional as Axes ...are coins that were used in most of the Americas before the arrival of the Spanish.
Always appear buried in packages of two to six units and measure from 5 to 10 cm.



Silver Searcher said:
:hello:

Great story Hispan, you have had a wonderfull time there, and I know you appreciate the cultures of many Countries...are you saying that the axes are Grave goods, or trading goods. Have a safe journey home, my Freind :headbang:

SS

Yes .... these Axes -coins are found from very distant latitudes in the Americas, but also were buried in packages to make offerings to the gods, so in one of the pic can look that there are several together. (appeared in a ceramic vessel in a High near a river ... I'm almost convinced that formed part of a ritual to bring rain. ::)
but hey .... this is already history.
I prepare to look Spanish coins that awaits me in my country. :wink:
H

shaun7 said:
Great finds mate :icon_thumleft:

Hurry home though :laughing7:

Prepare for my return to Europe .... ;D
H

Antiquarian said:
Great finds Hispan! :notworthy:
Just goes to prove there's history in the ground everywhere in the world! :icon_thumright:

Dave

That's what I try ....
H


CRUSADER said:
Wow that's a lot of axes :o

Yes Cru , note that this is not Europe and costs a lot to find Metal PreColumbian artifacts of more than 300 years in Americas , just look how many pre-Columbian metal published in T. Net .... only one or none. :D
Greetings ! :hello:
H
 

dld said:
where are you going next?
to my house ... I expect a double Paella. :laughing7:
H
 

Have a safe trip Hispan going home . And nice finds !
 

The pockets of my jeans would be toast in a day or two if I had to carry them around as change.
 

Daedalus said:
Have a safe trip Hispan going home . And nice finds !
thank you very much. :thumbsup:
H
 

Very interesting finds. Thanks for posting !!!
 

how cool are those! wow! thats awesome! did they let you bring those on the plane? :dontknow:
 

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