MODIFIED with ADDITIONAL PICS - 1879 Morgan

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Hello Everyone,

This is a classic example of "they hit you when you least expect it".
I was digging with my buddy Kenny this morning. He had a spot in a neighboring county that he had hit before, but had come up empty-handed. We decided to give his spot a try and drove out there.

We drove up a very long lane that had wheat stubble and waist high weeds on one side and on the other side of the lane was a field that only had the outside rounds worked. (bare dirt)

We hit the weedy side first (that's where the old house and barns used to stand) and after 15 or so minutes of being unable to swing a coil in that mess, we decided to try the other side of the road and swing over bare dirt. Signals were few and far between - and when we did get a signal, it ended up being old shell casings.

Since we weren't having much success, I suggested we may have to go to the local park and settle for some coinshooting. Kenny agreed and said,"Let me dig this signal first." I was no more than 10 feet away from him and got a signal, too. Kenny said, "I've got a washer". I told him, "Let me dig this signal it's probably a washer, too."

Two and a half inches deep and caked with dirt, I pulled out what I was certain was a very large washer. However, the "center" didn't budge when I tried to poke it though. Keep in mind this thing was completely covered in dirt.

I've had my heart broken numerous times by large washers pretending to be something else. I asked Kenny, "What the hell is this?" Committing the cardinal sin, I carefully brush away a tiny bit of dirt and saw some writing. This is NOT a washer. This is NOT a big-assed token. This is a large coin. My heart skipped a beat when I realized how heavy it weighed in my hand. "Could it be? Have I found my very first large silver?"

Indeed, I had. An 1879 Morgan Silver Dollar. After a few war-whoops and a few expletives, I carefully wrapped it up and brought it home to share with my fellow T-Netters.

1879morgan.webp

I think I owe my buddy Kenny a beer or two for allowing me to hunt this site.

And to think...we were just about ready to leave...

It's true...."they hit you when you least expect it".

HH Everyone,

~Indiana Digger~
 

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I don't own or have access to a set of scales, so I took this Morgan to the post office.

They said it weighed .9 ounce.

Using an online converter, that comes out to 25.51 grams.
 

Should weigh 26.73 grams +or- .05 grams due to scratches and loss of silver. Coin is 1 full gram underweight. Coin is too far underweight to be authentic. Probably a Chinese CFT.
 

hogge said:
Should weigh 26.73 grams +or- .05 grams due to scratches and loss of silver. Coin is 1 full gram underweight. Coin is too far underweight to be authentic. Probably a Chinese CFT.

was it .90 ounces or was it .9 ounces? if it only went to 1 decimal, it could still be .94 ounces -or 26.73 grams
 

DevilDog812 said:
hogge said:
Should weigh 26.73 grams +or- .05 grams due to scratches and loss of silver. Coin is 1 full gram underweight. Coin is too far underweight to be authentic. Probably a Chinese CFT.

was it .90 ounces or was it .9 ounces? if it only went to 1 decimal, it could still be .94 ounces -or 26.73 grams
This is why it has to be weighed by...........GRAINS!
 

Thanks for your input on this - I'm still trying to find a set of scales!

~Indiana Digger~
 

Harbor Freight had some reasonably affordable scales, especially if they are on sale. I don't know about the quality.......keep your receipt, just in case.
 

ok now im kinda chomping at the bit lol just want to know.... since you cleaned it tho i have to admit the scratches look much better. ill bet you got one that just had a ruff life
 

I've located a set of scales and thanks to my buddy, David, we're gonna weigh it tonight!
 

Lets just hope your buddy asks you to go with him again. Back in the mid-eighties I got a Teknetics Mark 1 brand new (that I still own) and went out with my "buddies" to a couple locations they had worked before. They didnt find anything and I found V nickles, a gold ring, IH pen'e's, and needless to say I never got asked to go with them again. (It was the machine not me)

But that is a heck of a nice find. Congrats
 

Wow, nothing personal but everyone always wants to make something out of nothing just to create a mystery.........beat to crap and discolored?......yes........ Counterfeit.....absolutely not.....Congrats on finding an authentic-all-day 1879 Morgan Dollar. :icon_thumleft:

HH all!

Greg
 

Nice find, I hope after all the discussion that it's real. Does it sound silver, you know, that distinctive sound when you drop silver? Are the Chinese counterfeits silver?

Anyway, cool find! :thumbsup:
 

It does not look genuine. Please weigh it (in grams) and let us know. I found a counterfeit Morgan before, and it was made from a wierd alloy.
 

Well, buddy has a reloading scale for black powder use.

I'm not sure if it is calibrated correctly - he hadn't had it out of the box in many years.

But we did weigh the Morgan.

390 grains = 25.2715749 grams

The coin is underweight - if the scales are correct.

I'm not ready to give up on this coin's authenticity quite yet.

My buddy showed me a the weight of a pinch (and I mean a tiny pinch) of sand that it would take to bring it up to the desired weight of 412 grains.

Look at the below picture - could the long scuff on the rim (and the various nicks/gouges) make up the difference in silver loss?


morgan scuff.webp


I am...an optimist! lol

HH,

~Indiana Digger~
 

Your weight is about right taking consideration for wear. It just might be the real deal.

The one I found was 22 grams with very little wear.
 

Looks like it is real but lived under a parking lot for a while and turned white from oxidation, just my opinion. HH
 

That is a fabulous find.
Even moreso when you consider how much that actually bought back in the day.

Find of a lifetime!
 

#1---Take a real good look at Dave In Iowa's coin. Does yours look like that in color? #2-- The camera you have is not cutting it. Whether it's settings or what, I don't know. :icon_scratch: :dontknow: #3-- The coin just doesn't look right. Too soft, numbers look funny, denticles, rim, reeded edge, and overall striking looks to be soft. No matter how much wear or damge is evident, the metal content looks TOO SOFT. By the amount of damage I see, the coin appears as though it wasn't made with high grade silver. Take a magnet to it. Especially where it is damaged. If there is ANY resistance or pull, NO MATTER HOW SLIGHT OR SMALL, coin is made with another metal besides 90% silver and 10% copper. If it were mine, I would take a toothbrush with warm soapy water, and clean,(NOT SCRUB), but lightly clean it. At this point, with condition, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HURT IT. It's only worth silver content anyways. All you want to do is find out whether it's real or not. Some well made Chinese CFT's were very hard to spot. Some have even made it into grading slabs. I think any coin collector, (or dealer epecially), with any experience, examining this thing in the metal, will have no problem telling you it's authenticity in about 10 seconds. Take it to someone reputable in your area and see what he says. I like this post! Can't wait to hear the outcome. Hogge
 

hogge said:
#1---Take a real good look at Dave In Iowa's coin. Does yours look like that in color? #2-- The camera you have is not cutting it. Whether it's settings or what, I don't know. :icon_scratch: :dontknow: #3-- The coin just doesn't look right. Too soft, numbers look funny, denticles, rim, reeded edge, and overall striking looks to be soft. No matter how much wear or damge is evident, the metal content looks TOO SOFT. By the amount of damage I see, the coin appears as though it wasn't made with high grade silver. Take a magnet to it. Especially where it is damaged. If there is ANY resistance or pull, NO MATTER HOW SLIGHT OR SMALL, coin is made with another metal besides 90% silver and 10% copper. If it were mine, I would take a toothbrush with warm soapy water, and clean,(NOT SCRUB), but lightly clean it. At this point, with condition, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HURT IT. It's only worth silver content anyways. All you want to do is find out whether it's real or not. Some well made Chinese CFT's were very hard to spot. Some have even made it into grading slabs. I think any coin collector, (or dealer epecially), with any experience, examining this thing in the metal, will have no problem telling you it's authenticity in about 10 seconds. Take it to someone reputable in your area and see what he says. I like this post! Can't wait to hear the outcome. Hogge

Hogge,

My Morgan is bright and shiny - unlike Dave In Iowa's coin - even in the nicks/gouges.
I took a magnet to it - absolutely no pull whatsoever.
This was found in the middle of a farm field - a 1904 IH was the only other coin found - about 10 foot away.
My White's Eagle IISL 90 vdi on this was 93. It hit and STUCK on 93 vdi.
Agreed - this looks like a very soft strike.
The exposed metal on the scuffed rims in shiny/silvery.
My camera isn't the best - this coin looks much better in person - but here's another shot after cleaning.

morgan detail 5.webp

There is a very reputable coin/metals dealer about 45 minutes from me. It looks like I'll need to go see them sometime soon...I appreciate everyone's input on this. I am just finishing up my first full year of detecting and have had some incredible luck. If this is an authentic Morgan, it would be the PERFECT way to wrap up the year!

HH,

~Indiana Digger~
 

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