More House site relics

MackDigger · Jul 10, 2013

Just a few from a short hunt today. Unfortunately no coins except a 60 cent but I know there are more old ones up there. Any idea on the age of the bullets? I think the spoon is plate. Says Rodgers 1847.

Kieth-Tx · Jul 10, 2013

This style cabinet hinge has been around for a long long time. Nice finds!

Panache · Jul 10, 2013

The one case is a 357 magnum. It only goes back to 1934.

HutSiteDigger · Jul 10, 2013

Your spoon is a William Rogers spoon. William Rogers made silverware in the early 19th century up until the late 19th C. then the International Silver company has massed produce his silverware using the International Silver company trademark. The spoon you have is a original William Rogers silverware not made by the International Silver company. Should read "1847 Rogers Bros" Looking at the spoon mark on your photo I see the start of "1847 Rogers " the "bro" should be in there somewhere. Just for future reference if you dig a silverware that is got ""Wm. Rogers" marked on it surrounded by a star and an eagle, that silverware was one of the first produced by William Rogers in the 1820s-1840s.

MackDigger · Jul 10, 2013

Thanks guys

turtlefoot13 · Jul 12, 2013

Your shotshell head looks like a UMC SMOKELESS, if I am reading it right. If that is what is says, it will date from 1892-1902. It's a nice find!

Doug

MackDigger · Jul 12, 2013

Wow thanks turtle that's awesome

MackDigger · Jul 12, 2013

turtlefoot13 said:
Your shotshell head looks like a UMC SMOKELESS, if I am reading it right. If that is what is says, it will date from 1892-1902. It's a nice find!

Doug

Does it have any value? Rare?

HutSiteDigger · Jul 12, 2013

Mack here is info I found from another post:

Monetary value - not much. The head that you found appears to be complete and in fairly good condition though and the ARROW does not seem to be a very commonly found head. Yours looks like it actually says REM-UMC instead of Remington.

It is still a nice find though with an interesting history. This line originally started out life as the UMC SMOKELESS line of shells around 1895. UMC changed the name to ARROW in 1901 or 1902 because customers were asking for "SMOKELESS" shells and were being given other brands that contained smokeless powder. In 1911 Remington and UMC merged creating REMINGTON-UMC and the ARROW line was kept after the merger, and was a popular shell in the teens. An interesting note, this shell was advertised as a "steel lined" shell, but in all of the different examples and varieties that I have, I have yet to find one that is attracted to a magnet.

Once again, nice find.
Doug

The real value of a find like this is being able to put a date (or date range) on an area that you are hunting. This headstamp was put into use in 1911. The last mention that I can find for the REM-UMC ARROW is 1919. Your yard seems to have some old history to it.

turtlefoot13 · Jul 12, 2013

HutSiteDigger said:
Mack here is info I found from another post:

Monetary value - not much. The head that you found appears to be complete and in fairly good condition though and the ARROW does not seem to be a very commonly found head. Yours looks like it actually says REM-UMC instead of Remington.

It is still a nice find though with an interesting history. This line originally started out life as the UMC SMOKELESS line of shells around 1895. UMC changed the name to ARROW in 1901 or 1902 because customers were asking for "SMOKELESS" shells and were being given other brands that contained smokeless powder. In 1911 Remington and UMC merged creating REMINGTON-UMC and the ARROW line was kept after the merger, and was a popular shell in the teens. An interesting note, this shell was advertised as a "steel lined" shell, but in all of the different examples and varieties that I have, I have yet to find one that is attracted to a magnet.

Once again, nice find.
Doug

The real value of a find like this is being able to put a date (or date range) on an area that you are hunting. This headstamp was put into use in 1911. The last mention that I can find for the REM-UMC ARROW is 1919. Your yard seems to have some old history to it.

This is an old post of mine from one of the forums. I originally stated "around" 1895 for the start date because of limited information that I had at the time. Since this original post, I have been able to find out that 1892 is the date that the Smokeless line of shells was started. As stated, it will not have any monetary value, but in my opinion, great historic value and can tell you some about the shooter.

Is the one that you found rare? No, it is scarce to very scarce, but not truly rare.

Great find!
Doug