my 12th Roman coin for my collection is this silver over bronze ? 106 BC Rome mint

[Deepdiger60]

I just purchased my 12th Roman coin iam not sure if it is silver over bronze or brass or both ? to bad it has environmental damage but still has good detail
Cornelius Astagenus Denarius Seratus 106 BC Rome Mint

not bad for 5.99 Thanks for any help Jim

 

[Deckguy]

no idea but he has too many names !!! HH

 

[Mackaydon]

I have my concerns........An authentic L. Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus AR Serrate Denarius. Rome, 106 BC. Laureate head of Jupiter left, N below pellet below chin / Jupiter driving fast quadriga right, holding sceptre and reins and hurling thunderbolt; L SCIP ASIAG in ex. should sell for over $300 in excellent condition--and its main composition is silver. To me, a price of $5.99 screams REPO. Then again, that's just me.
Don.......

 

[birdman]

I am thinking repro but it could be silver washed?

 

[Gunrunner61]

I'll give ya a flat 6.00 bucks for it!..................Cool find.............................HH

 

[Deepdiger60]

I have my concerns........An authentic L. Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus AR Serrate Denarius. Rome, 106 BC. Laureate head of Jupiter left, N below pellet below chin / Jupiter driving fast quadriga right, holding sceptre and reins and hurling thunderbolt; L SCIP ASIAG in ex. should sell for over $300 in excellent condition--and its main composition is silver. To me, a price of $5.99 screams REPO. Then again, that's just me.
Don.......

Thanks Don the guy i buy from over the years is a pretty straight up guy if it was a REPO he was of said so and also he does not sell REPO,S although i did think it was a little on the low side price wise , sometimes you can get lucky . a few more Pro opinions and ill agree . Jim

 

[Deepdiger60]

Birdman that is what i thought silver washed over bronze . Jim

 

[CRUSADER]

This is too thick for a Roman silver washed coin (which this issue was never done anyway), it is clearly plated. As pointed out this should be solid silver, therefore it leaves 2 options:
Contemporary Forgery
Modern Forgery/copy

Close up of the edges please (side shot)?

 

[Deepdiger60]

This is too thick for a Roman silver washed coin (which this issue was never done anyway), it is clearly plated. As pointed out this should be solid silver, therefore it leaves 2 options:
Contemporary Forgery
Modern Forgery/copy

Close up of the edges please (side shot)?

Thanks Cru i would be really suprised if this was a forgery knowing the dealer like i do a contemporary ? possiable but i guess for 6 bucks who knows ? lol ill respect your word and others cause iam no expert on these old coins , here is a side shot best i can do for now . Thanks Jim

 

[Taranis]

Jim...
Guaranteed 100 % Authentic
I think Rambo is not telling the truth. I think it is a modern fake

 

[Silver Searcher]

Don't see anything wrong myself...looks like a nice Fourre to me. The Romans produced the Fourre (counterfeit coin) (Some were offically produced at the Mint) From as early as the 7th century BC, they are made from a base metal core that has been plated with a precious metal to look like its solid metal counterpart.
The term is normally applied to ancient silver plated coins such as the Roman Denarius and Greek Drachma, but the term is also applied to other plated coins. The price reflects the condition, and the fact it's not a solid Silver Coin.

SS

 

[september]

Nice finds!

 

[Mackaydon]

I believe Silver Searcher has the answer; a fourree denarius; a counterfeit denarius produced by plating a base metal core with silver--to falsely represent a 'pure' denarius.
Don....

 

[Deepdiger60]

Thank you all , what it boils down to then i have a very old fake which i guess is ok for the price , i see Taranis knows the seller,s Rambo has always done me good but even Rambo cant know all the facts on every coin . HH Jim

 

[testing123]

maybe it's me, but it doesn't look all that old

 

[BosnMate]

Even if it's counterfeit but dates that far back, it would be special to me. I had no idea that silver could be wash plated onto brass or copper 106 years before Christ. How far back does silver and gold plating go?

 

[Silver Searcher]

Even if it's counterfeit but dates that far back, it would be special to me. I had no idea that silver could be wash plated onto brass or copper 106 years before Christ. How far back does silver and gold plating go?

As I stated above, it streches back to the 7th century BC.
Cicero mentions that M. Marius Gratidianus, a praetor during the 80s BC, was widely praised for developing tests to detect false coins, and removing them from circulation. Gratidianus was killed under sulla, who introduced his own anti-forgery law (lex Cornelia de falsis), that reintroduced serrated edges on precious metal coins, an anticounterfeiting measure that had been tried earlier.

Serrated Denarii, or serrati, which featured about 20 notched chisel marks on the edge of the coin, were produced to demonstrate the integrity of the coin. This effort was in vain, as examples of fourrée serrati attest.

SS

 

[LI Tom]

If this is indeed a fourree it could be as valuable as real coin.The NY International is in early Jan.at the Waldorf Astoria hotel.The largest ancient coin show in the world.If you take it there you will get a definite answer,plus the chance to see,in hand,great ancients.I'm always able to pick up some deals at this show.

 

[CRUSADER]

Thanks Cru i would be really suprised if this was a forgery knowing the dealer like i do a contemporary ? possiable but i guess for 6 bucks who knows ? lol ill respect your word and others cause iam no expert on these old coins , here is a side shot best i can do for now . Thanks Jim View attachment 711214

Your dealer makes no difference to me. I say what I see. It does not look good & nor does your side shots, so I reserve a call until I know better,

 

[hammered]

This is a real interesting coin/topic. I have held back from commenting because I normally defer to SS, Cru and Mac, but I just had to spend a few hours looking up similar? coins. I also have a few books that I can fall back on, but this time they weren't that much help. The trouble is I am now sitting on the fence, a nasty place to be due to the splinters up your bum. I found a silver dipped roman coin a while ago, Cru saw it when he came down here with shaun7, and it's in an awful state. The fouree I am going to use as an example will outline my hesitation, yours has definitions that are too sharp to my eyes, but this could be due to the amount of silver used. The example shown is from 101 bc and is similar to yours in style. In truth, it needs to be seen in the hand to make a true assessment, but you trust your dealer and I guess thats good enough for me. When all is said and done, if you are happy with your purchase then that's all that matters



hammered