Mystery Mauling.....

NJnuggetpirate · Dec 7, 2013

Limitool said:
Kuger... just went to town on a afternoon beer run (6 mile drive). Somebody in there was talking about 2 of their dogs being killed yesterday. I asked where....? They said around Edgewood Baptist church community. That's 1 mile from me "as the crow flies". I really wish I KNEW what to do to remedy this situation. I have the weapons, ammo and am a expert marksman and accomplished hunter (deer / small game) but just stepping out into 1000's of acres of woods and finding this pack seems daunting. I won't use traps or poison because of way to many innocent victims. That's now 9 goats, 3 dogs dead and mine mauled within a month. And that's not counting what we don't know about. Not good..... Brad

If you want I can come track this pack I will admit I'm a armature tracker but I know if you take out the packs leader the pack will run and split apart

releventchair · Dec 7, 2013

When people raise straight run chicks it does not take long for them to want to get rid of roosters ,free or cheap.
Being competitive a couple in sight of each other when mature will advertise a great distance,their scent will direct at close range.Dogs go through chicken wire way to easy so use stout crates.Live bait for quiet evening or morning hunt,even winter midday. If left in raked sand area tracks can be documented if visited but use for decoys would suffer,maybe something smelly instead.For any trapper keep an eye out for places dogs pee on objects,the other day its a certain tuft of grass the fox were visiting in the snow near here.
Just need your scent to be out of range of any visitors and your hide/blind the best. For no bait,a fawn distress call is not real different to my ear than a baby goat.If you could listen to little ones MaaaAA aa it would give an idea how to sound. Well practiced deer rifle next over a vantage point with down wind also covered or blocked.All ways have a decoy out front of your hide,even if only a stuffed animal rocking on a spring,it keeps attention on it and it can be used as a distance marker.Practice repeated fire to allow taking a farther target followed by another,you will likely only ever get one chance in an area with same canines.An additional caller may get a pause out of an additional dog when shooting starts but thats iffy.Check local law and license requirements for coyote hunting .Often allowed for depredation but not out side your property with out a game license or trapping license.

kuger · Dec 7, 2013

.........I am an expert caller(mind you traps have been banned in Calif since 2004....so have had to use calling as one of my main tools)I call on average 10-15 call stands a day....near everyday of the year(wont find my people that can claim that)Calling has been of nill help in my dealings with Feral dogs.......however,as Relevant said,you likely will only get one shot.I wish I could tell you exactly what to do,but as I said,before ...."good Luck",I would rather have problems with 100 coyotes vs. 1 feral dog.I will say the State/Gov. had better get involved,this is still America and we should not have rogue Feral animals running amok.A kid or innocent jogger could be injured or killed.Not to mention the wildlife....especially DEER this pack is likely terrorizing

Msbeepbeep · Dec 7, 2013

Limitool, would any of your dogs be able to track the wild pack? If you have snow maybe you can get an idea of their comings and goings. Once domestic maybe they would be easier lured by food, with a camera setup, at lest you can see what your dealing with. You need more Intel, to be successful
Unfortunately it sounds like they have set up house on your door step.

Limitool · Dec 7, 2013

releventchair said:
When people raise straight run chicks it does not take long for them to want to get rid of roosters ,free or cheap.
Being competitive a couple in sight of each other when mature will advertise a great distance,their scent will direct at close range.Dogs go through chicken wire way to easy so use stout crates.
Just need your scent to be out of range of any visitors and your hide/blind the best. For no bait,a fawn distress call is not real different to my ear than a baby goat.If you could listen to little ones MaaaAA aa it would give an idea how to sound. Well practiced deer rifle next over a vantage point with down wind also covered or blocked.All ways have a decoy out front of your hide,even if only a stuffed animal rocking on a spring,it keeps attention on it and it can be used as a distance marker.Practice repeated fire to allow taking a farther target followed by another,you will likely only ever get one chance in an area with same canines.An additional caller may get a pause out of an additional dog when shooting starts but thats iffy.Check local law and license requirements for coyote hunting .Often allowed for depredation but not out side your property with out a game license or trapping license.

Yea I got every deer sound needed included the fawn bleep. And your right it does sound close to a goat. As far as the "wind"... I am VERY accomplished in hunting / tracking deer both archery and gun. But deer can be patterned and then an ambush set forth. This includes prevailing normal winds. But I don't have a CLUE where these dogs have been and/or coming from (wind be damned)...

I could sniper at long range but this accomplishes little with one killed. I'd really like to catch 3-6 of them at close range. BUT.... thanks for the above advise and it is appreciated for sure. And the rooster idea... GREAT IDEA. But as far as that "wind".... how in the hell would anyone know which direction a pack of feral dogs would come in

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Limitool · Dec 7, 2013

Msbeepbeep said:
Limitool, would any of your dogs be able to track the wild pack? If you have snow maybe you can get an idea of their comings and goings. Once domestic maybe they would be easier lured by food, with a camera setup, at lest you can see what your dealing with. You need more Intel, to be successful
Unfortunately it sounds like they have set up house on your door step.

Quick answer.... NO!!!!! My dogs want NOTHING to do with them. No snow in TN. Camera setup knowing what I'm dealing with

? A well placed bullet won't care / nor I. And yes I'm not so concerned about my well being but the critters around me.

releventchair · Dec 7, 2013

If prey driven they may cruise through using wind to check on way through. Guessing on the goats sound brought them in range at first.If territorial a similar approach to what they want to mark. If your scent or a louder one is there constantly no problem. Its the elephant smell not there last visit gets attention.Had I a shooting spot other than my door ,dirty socks and a shirt could be aired and rotated regular,wintergreen or whatever breath mint I would use on stand would be out there too.Breath funky to dogs,personal too.Need a plan for nocturnal movement too,as all ready documented by you ,they may not get spotted when looking to score till after dark.Sorry question about wind.
If down wind of your location is open it would allow for seeing an approach coming from a distance .A river or water body can be used to screen your position as well.Scent blowing to it cuts your risk of an nose busting you that direction.
Dad put a road hit skunk under his stand once.It helped cover his scent but...it smelt!Skunk scent on a q tip will let you know if wind is coming from it too I learned.

Limitool · Dec 7, 2013

kuger said:
.........I am an expert caller(mind you traps have been banned in Calif since 2004....so have had to use calling as one of my main tools)I call on average 10-15 call stands a day....near everyday of the year(wont find my people that can claim that)Calling has been of nill help in my dealings with Feral dogs.......however,as Relevant said,you likely will only get one shot.I wish I could tell you exactly what to do,but as I said,before ...."good Luck",I would rather have problems with 100 coyotes vs. 1 feral dog.I will say the State/Gov. had better get involved,this is still America and we should not have rogue Feral animals running amok.A kid or innocent jogger could be injured or killed.Not to mention the wildlife....especially DEER this pack is likely terrorizing

Thanks Kuger & Relevant.... points well TAKEN and understood. This is America and I WILL do what has to be done if I can arrange it or happen upon it. And I honestly KNOW the chances of me getting close to 3-6 of them at once is slim.... I'm dreaming about it. Honestly... right know I'd love to see one at 100 yards and me with my .22 mag.

NJnuggetpirate · Dec 7, 2013

Keep your gun close it's the south lol guns are a big part of it

Limitool · Dec 7, 2013

releventchair said:
If prey driven they may cruise through using wind to check on way through. Guessing on the goats sound brought them in range at first.If territorial a similar approach to what they want to mark. If your scent or a louder one is there constantly no problem. Its the elephant smell not there last visit gets attention.Had I a shooting spot other than my door ,dirty socks and a shirt could be aired and rotated regular,wintergreen or whatever breath mint I would use on stand would be out there too.Breath funky to dogs,personal too.Need a plan for nocturnal movement too,as all ready documented by you ,they may not get spotted when looking to score till after dark.Sorry question about wind.
If down wind of your location is open it would allow for seeing an approach coming from a distance .A river or water body can be used to screen your position as well.Scent blowing to it cuts your risk of an nose busting you that direction.
Dad put a road hit skunk under his stand once.It helped cover his scent but...it smelt!Skunk scent on a q tip will let you know if wind is coming from it too I learned.

Points again well taken and valid..... All know kills thus far (I know of) have been nocturnal. And I've used fox urine and skunk at times also. FYI... while deer hunting in MI. in a low / swampy area I've used a turkey call after daylight to SLOWLY approach downwind a deer stand and walked right upon deer I normally wouldn't have. It takes experience... but it works. I'm afraid Kuger is right also... taking out feral dogs is going to be harder than coyotes.

TheCoinKid · Dec 7, 2013

Thinking about a live trap similar to what we use down here to catch wild hogs. Basically, a pen with a one-way gate, baited appropriately. Might be able to catch several at one time. No idea if feral dogs would go for it, but it's a thought.

kuger · Dec 7, 2013

TheCoinKid said:
Thinking about a live trap similar to what we use down here to catch wild hogs. Basically, a pen with a one-way gate, baited appropriately. Might be able to catch several at one time. No idea if feral dogs would go for it, but it's a thought.

...........no...........I catch over 1000 hogs a year in corral traps as well.....dogs will not go in one....tried that with a goat in a smaller cage within

squiggy · Dec 7, 2013

Poor goat!

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kuger · Dec 7, 2013

squiggy said:
Poor goat!

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..LOL!!I know Squig.....but that pack had killed(maimed) over 30 of his brothern,and I was desperate.......he was the safest goat in the country!!!

squiggy · Dec 7, 2013

Lol! I figured you'd see that post! I'm glad to hear that..

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Limitool · Dec 7, 2013

kuger said:
..LOL!!I know Squig.....but that pack had killed(maimed) over 30 of his brothern,and I was desperate.......he was the safest goat in the country!!!

Kuger... I may be "way out there" but how about this. (I'm a wood worker) Please hear me out.... What if... I built a small secure pen / cage that held 1 small goat. .... and then I looped an electronic deer fawn / goat call on a recorder and went 400 - 500 yds. into the woods or much further from my home... maybe a 1/2 mile. I put the goat into the cage and put the cage upon sturdy 4-5 ft. legs. Lets say I put the goat into cage late in the evening or very early morning (2-3 am.). I don't have trail cams yet but... if I put trail cams around area of caged goat with "real time" monitoring and turned on recording loop do you think I could approach during the "heat of battle"?

squiggy · Dec 7, 2013

don't like hearing of anyone who is not skilled in this using an animal like this..kuger is skilled!

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NJnuggetpirate · Dec 7, 2013

Limitool said:
Kuger... I may be "way out there" but how about this. (I'm a wood worker) Please hear me out.... What if... I built a small secure pen / cage that held 1 small goat. .... and then I looped an electronic deer fawn / goat call on a recorder and went 400 - 500 yds. into the woods or much further from my home... maybe a 1/2 mile. I put the goat into the cage and put the cage upon sturdy 4-5 ft. legs. Lets say I put the goat into cage late in the evening or very early morning (2-3 am.). I don't have trail cams yet but... if I put trail cams around area of caged goat with "real time" monitoring and turned on recording loop do you think I could approach during the "heat of battle"?

Lol this reminds me of a tactic used in the walking dead lol

kuger · Dec 7, 2013

Thanks Squig....although dogs have made complete fools of me and guys which forgot more than I know......LOL!

Lim,I honestly wouldnt put the goat through the distress......the stressed animal sound would be sure to cause.Honestly having seen goats used in the way I described in capturing Jaguars in South America and using small Bantam Roosters in the same way to catch Bobcats,the "bait",animal doesnt seem to experience the amount of stress on would think...that being said,I am certain they do experience stress just being alone...they are gregarious creatures.