Need All Dredge Users

[H&F909ORO]

Hi All, I am looking into dredging an it's affects on the environment. But why I want to know is if YOU DO THESE THINGS. 1. Clear native vegetation 2. Accidental oil or fuel spills 3. Fecal matter left behind when camping for a while. 4. Alter gravel bars and aquatic habitat 5. Does your dredge ever leak fuel? 6. Fuel your dredge while it's still in the water 7. Do you move a lot of sediment causing turbidity 8. Create a large whole that may discharge mercury used by the old timers.. 9. Dredge during a spawning time 10. Ever see your dredging spot the same way when you return to it after much time has past. 11. Ever see any disturbance of aquatic life. I might have more questions later, but I'm starting with this. I ONLY WANT TRUTHFUL RESPONSES. I stress that I am a supporter of suction dredging. I am trying to find out whether or not these things are truthful. I found these on an environmental site and want to look further into this. All responses are thanked in advance. I appreciate everyone who answers truthfully. PM ME ONLY NO PUBLIC ANSWERS AS STATED. Thanks All!

 

[Bejay]

H&F909ORO....I am not mad at you but I am tired of hearing things that are simply not relevant. Here is why:

H&F909ORO I hear you are married and they say you beat your wife.
When was the last time she made you angry?
What caused you to get angry?
Did you beat her with a bat or your hand?
Did she call the police and report a crime?
Why did you beat her?
Is this the first time you beat her?
Does her mother know you beat her?
Have you ever been arrested before?
Did you serve jail time?
Was it a state prison or county jail?
Who was the prosecutor?
etc etc etc.

Thus with the anti dredge crowd I believe they should prove significant adverse impact. And if dredgers are guilty of consideration all other forms of human activity should be on the table as well.....fishing, hunting etc etc etc. Lies do not deserve a response IMHO. What does deserve a response might be to simply list the things I posted......and leave the word dredge out of it.

I'll give a further example. A good friend of mine is a orthopedic Dr. At lunch one day he started in on how the ORV users should not even be allowed to recreate on those terrible machines: as they cause all kinds of trauma to the human body.....( we live next to national dunes recreation area where they are predominant)....and he works at the hospital there. He was also highly thought of in our community and was an activist type person.

I knew he was an extremely avid snow skier. I pointed this out to him and brought forth the statistics on human trauma caused by skiing. He never said a bad word about ORV recreational use again.

So I simply don't think you can obtain a positive outcome from your questions. As trying to disprove exaggeration and a lies is not worthy of the effort. ....IMHO.

Inserting other "user activities" and bringing forth their "impacts" may point to the fact that the anti dredge issue does NOT have any relevant merit.
But like most dredgers we are tired of this attack and tired of harassment by the political support.

This kind of proves the point....would you not agree?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EN-56acPRg&feature=youtu.be

Bejay

 

[BrassEagle]

I would only clear nonnative vegetation some thing the forest service should do. 2 a accident is a accident. 3 If I did you would never find it. 4 just moved it a little down stream a little, just helping mother nature. 5 No 6 no This is already covered in the old Regs. 7 What is a lot the river has millions of ton of sediment in it per mile a 3X3 hole is not a lot. the gravel I dredge is not that dirty and will clear up in less than 20 feet or so. 8 I have never found any mercury or mercury covered gold. 9 no this was covered in the old regs. 10 never, when the American river has a heavy run what I see is rocks the size of a buss that were not there before. 11 not sure on this one, if the fish are on the other side of the river when I dredge and they all come over to my side to feed on all the good stuff coming off the end of the dredge then yes. Most of this is covered in the old Regs.if you followed them back then, you have done nothing wrong. If you did not that is on you. The Big ? is why is the government not standing behind it laws in the first place. I think it is the high price of gold. If people ran to the hills now! they would loose control like the days of the 49er they do not have enough people to cover all the gold areas here in Calif. Not all gold miners are good guys like the members on Tnet. Same with tree huggers fisher men.ect.ect.

 

[Fullpan]

Here's some more questions you can ask other users of our public land. Hiking trails: While traditional roads are being gated by USFS, the U.S. gov't has provided tax money, under the Recreational Trails Act (RTA), to build over 700 miles of new trails in calif. - that's about three times a trip from San F. to Reno.
questions: Was native vegetation harmed in the construction ? Was the building of trailheads, including bathrooms, signage, and parking lots harmful to the delicate eco-system? Was there ever a time when you, as part of the millions of trail users each year, were guilty of harassing wildlife, that is, causing deer to run away in fear, or threatened species of birds to take flight? You see, its about proper perspective.

 

[mxer47]

There are some great lessons to be learned here. Eagerness to prove we are right sometimes has us answering questions that are meant to entrap. I don't think this is the case with h&h, but the "old timers pointed us in the right direction, thanks. Be carefully in a public setting. Use the old political trick of rephrasing the question to help our cause.

 

[wingmaster]

Well I guess I might have been the first one to see or respond to the questions and they didn't look like you would get a favorable outcome for dredging or prospecting in general. I still stand by comments about the parking lots and roadways though, if anyone is that concerned about gas or oil runoff then all that water needs to be collected somewhere and I don't see that ever happening.

 

[G1sammons]

Fecal mater bad for the environment? Hmm seems we make need to kill all those animals who have been cramping in the woods for a many of years now ! Now that I think. About it I'm Probally gona sue the farmer who sold me the bull calf as he's been destroying my pasture ....