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It's a Royal Navy button

Here this should help.

Navy buttons
 

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Thanks for the link!!! Did not find it there!!!
 

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I did not find it in the French buttons. I looked in this link, the navy types are near the bottom of the long web page: http://detektorysci.pl/guziki-napoleonskie.html

Unusual button with the secondary circle near the cross beam. Button construction would suggest 1820-1840.
 

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Yes, second circle is confusing me too!!! Thanks for your answer!!! Mummytrol!!!
 

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That's a VERY unusual "naval motif" button, for three reasons:
1-Nobody here has yet found a match for it in any button-book or Historical Buttons website.
2- It resembles a 1780s-to-1820s British or US Navy button... but those from that time-period are all 1-piece buttons. This button is clearly a 2-piece button (hollow front crimped over a separate back)... and THAT type of construction means it dates from no earlier than approximately 1830.
3: Your button's backmark says SUPERFIN PARIS in "plain block" lettering. According to the best book on time-dating button backmarks, "American Military Button Makers And Dealers; Their Backmarks & Dates", that exact backmark was used by US button manufacturers Scovill and the Steele-&-Johnson company. It meant "Paris Quality." It is found on civil war era US and Confederate military buttons.

Let me go back to reason #2, the backmark being written in "plain block" lettering. The backmark-dating book, cited above, lists only three backmarks in plain block lettering at the time of the civil war (SUPERFIN PARIS is one of the three). Plain block lettering in backmarks is very rare until the late-1800s, and it pretty much became the standard style in the 20th Century. Although the logo on your button's front has characteristics of late-1700s-to-very-early-1800s Navy buttons (such as the anchor being inside an oval), I do not believe the backmark on your button dates it to the 1820s or earlier.

It cannot be a British Royal navy button, because on those a crown was added above the anchor in 1812.
 

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It could be mid 1800's civilian button mean't to look military, or a very obscure design of military button. Either way, nice find!
 

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I found an identical on the link on the first reply. It is a late 1700's one piece though. You button is most likely from 1820-1860 though.
 

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It also resembles some early US navy buttons, except those buttons are one piece and made prior to 1830, they added the eagle on most two piece buttons.
 

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I did not find it in the French buttons. I looked in this link, the navy types are near the bottom of the long web page: http://detektorysci.pl/guziki-napoleonskie.html

Unusual button with the secondary circle near the cross beam. Button construction would suggest 1820-1840.
Yea that second ring is unusual and the rope is different than most fouled anchors buttons. I searched the Waterbury Button site anchors and I cant find a match. Waterbury Button - Uniform Buttons, Fashion Buttons, Metal Buttons, Brass Buttons. Collectibles - Civil War Buttons, Titanic, Blazer Button Sets. - Waterbury Button It resembles the Anchor in Oval but no match. I cant find that exact rope curve or second ring
 

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I found an identical on the link on the first reply. It is a late 1700's one piece though. You button is most likely from 1820-1860 though.

I was still searching or typing and i didnt see your reply. Can you post a picture of the matching button please? or tell us what the writing is underneath it. Does it have 2 rings, an oval shape and the same rope curve? thanks.
 

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I was still searching or typing and i didnt see your reply. Can you post a picture of the matching button please? or tell us what the writing is underneath it. Does it have 2 rings, an oval shape and the same rope curve? thanks.

Here you go. I noticed that most of them have dotted lines, though I see a few with out them.
Royal Navy
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Here you go. I noticed that most of them have dotted lines, though I see a few with out them.
Royal Navy
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No sorry thats not a match. It doesnt have the 2 rings near the top, the stock is the wrong angle and the curve of the rope is not exact.
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Notice the rope curve. On the unknown button it connects to the anchor on the left side. The British Navy buttons posted connect on the right. There are too many differences IMO to call it a match.
 

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Here are some very very similar modern blazer buttons being sold online.
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Nope. Yes they also are similar "Anchor in Oval" types which I also found on the Waterbury Button Co. site under fashion but I didnt post them because but they do not have the 2 anchor rings which is unusual. I outlined the 2 rings in red.

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I realize that there are difference with different manufacturers but the 2 rings is hard to ignore.
 

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Why do we still have disappearing attachments on this site?
 

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No sorry thats not a match. It doesnt have the 2 rings near the top, the stock is the wrong angle and the curve of the rope is not exact.
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Notice the rope curve. On the unknown button it connects to the anchor on the left side. The British Navy buttons posted connect on the right. There are too many differences IMO to call it a match.

Thanks for pointing that out. I can now clearly see the differences. I am stumped on this one, most military buttons are very easy to match, perhaps the OP could have an extremely rare one.
 

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During the 1940's, it was quite popular to make "anchor" buttons for coats - civilian. It might be one of those.

Mrs. O
 

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....or it might be the French Guiana Navy lol
 

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