new shelter finds

outlawatheart · Dec 22, 2013

wondering why these are so crude. are these paleo or mississippian?? I find both in this cave. Its the spot I found my clovis points in, also several nice fort ancient looking heads.

outlawatheart · Dec 22, 2013

the first point seems to have a flute both sides, I'll try to post a better pic.

outlawatheart said:
View attachment 916261wondering why these are so crude. are these paleo or mississippian?? I find both in this cave. Its the spot I found my clovis points in, also several nice fort ancient looking heads.

monsterrack · Dec 22, 2013

Nice finds, it happens all the time for a shelter to be different time periods found in them :icon_thumleft:

Rege-PA · Dec 22, 2013

Should be some stratification with the older points being deeper.

outlawatheart · Dec 22, 2013

The cave has a small water source at the back that flows and has washed a small gravel stream out to the front and over the edge..so far that's all I have hunted. Being a bit cautious on any digging with it still being deer season here.

Rege-PA said:
Should be some stratification with the older points being deeper.

old digger · Dec 22, 2013

Nice Finds! :icon_thumleft:

catherine1 · Dec 22, 2013

Nice finds. I would be all over that area.

ncnurseryman · Dec 22, 2013

Me too.

jamey · Dec 22, 2013

hi outlaw,nice finds but im thinking the rippled flute looks like when they knocked it off a chunck of flint it does not have the older look too it too me but i make no claims too being a expert,would of made me happy to find it though

SCrocks · Dec 22, 2013

Nice finds! I bet a lot more will come out of there

Tnmountains · Dec 22, 2013

I often wonder if shelter digs reflect some of the local mtn flint. Most mtn rock shelters were just a seasonal place with other activities going on. Fascinating places to dig. I talked to a land owner yesterday about digging one.
Nice finds

outlawatheart · Dec 23, 2013

THNX TN.. most of my shelter sites have abundant flint in the creeks which are near.

Tnmountains said:
I often wonder if shelter digs reflect some of the local mtn flint. Most mtn rock shelters were just a seasonal place with other activities going on. Fascinating places to dig. I talked to a land owner yesterday about digging one.
Nice finds

rock · Dec 23, 2013

I find it strange that the Mississippian period did make crude artifacts. You would think theirs would be better with the better ways of making the points. But its true I find many Mississippian artifacts that are crudely made. For a few yrs now I thought my finds were Archaic or earlier but now I believe they are M period. Nice examples OL.

Tnmountains · Dec 23, 2013

I am not sure what we are looking at and can actually type them as Miss period. But Miss period churned out some beautiful work,Rock especially in your area with the mound builders. I think location is everything sometimes. Some areas and some groups struggled more than others. It was not always a level playing field. Kind of like today…Resources and numbers were everything.

outlawatheart · Dec 23, 2013

I agree TN.... I have found several very well made little points in this shelter which are nearer the surface, deeper I go the cruder they seem to get

Tnmountains said:
I am not sure what we are looking at and can actually type them as Miss period. But Miss period churned out some beautiful work,Rock especially in your area with the mound builders. I think location is everything sometimes. Some areas and some groups struggled more than others. It was not always a level playing field. Kind of like today…Resources and numbers were everything.