New site?...with different clue versions?

[Al D]

I believe Oro is spot on about the PSM's...I personally do not believe that they have anything in common with the Lost Doucheman mine at all...hehehe...And I also believe that the maps in question have nothing at all to do with any deposit in Arizona at all...

Those are just my 2 cents...Ya'll are entitled to believe what ever it is that ya'll choose to believe...And of course I will continue to believe that which I choose to believe as well...

Ed T

This idea has merit, there is nothing definitive on the stone maps to indicate the Superstition mountains as the area represented, still however, there are only a few mountains where it would make sense that a treasure be buried, I do not think Silly mountain would qualify,

 

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[azdave35]

its been a while since i looked at those doorstops but i don't remember seeing anything on them that defines them as a treasure map..

 

[Al D]

its been a while since i looked at those doorstops but i don't remember seeing anything on them that defines them as a treasure map..

You are right, there is nothing on them as such, but whatever the stones point to, it must have been valuable to the person who made the stones since it took a lot of effort to make them, and even if they are fake, or were made by Travis, which is a strong possibility, it still took some effort to make them, he had to have had a very good reason, if we can figure out that, we may have gotten somewhere on these things

 

[azdave35]

You are right, there is nothing on them as such, but whatever the stones point to, it must have been valuable to the person who made the stones since it took a lot of effort to make them, and even if they are fake, or were made by Travis, which is a strong possibility, it still took some effort to make them, he had to have had a very good reason, if we can figure out that, we may have gotten somewhere on these things

seems to me that if they are a treasure map or map to mines the words "oro" or "mina" or "tesoro" should be on them somewhere..30 yrs ago warren koneman (the man that dug the crooked shaft at obie 's mine) took me in to the question mark mine.. he showed me some glyphs or carvings on the way to the mine.....they didn't seem like indian glyphs but more like a treasure map to me...the main thing i do remember was 2 footprints carved in the rock...one pointed directly at obie's mine and the other pointed at a mine high on the cliffs behind obie's mine...the map had a turtle...a snake..a couple of dates...i think one was from the 1700's...the point i'm making is you could definitely tell it was a treasure map of sorts...i don't see that with the peralta stones

 

[JohnWhite]

This idea has merit, there is nothing definitive on the stone maps to indicate the Superstition mountains as the area represented, still however, there are only a few mountains where it would make sense that a treasure be buried, I do not think Silly mountain would qualify,

I have not set foot on silly mountain since the early 90's alan...lol...And by the way, I stay away from Scotch...It is the devil's brew I say...I get stupid and talk lots of silly mountain stuff...hehehe...But I do have a case of ice cold Pacifico...I can drink beer with the best of them...The last time I was in Mexico I stopped counting once we downed 120 beers...And there were only 3 of us drinking...Beer is so darned good on a hot day...

Anyhow...If you believe the stones lead to a mountain...More power to you...I will not confirm nor deny such a conclusion...They lead where they lead...And I am not exactly sure what people mean when they state CP...I am under the impression it represents the Cursum Perficio...And who can state with complete certainty that such a place actually exists...Hell...I may be pulling all of ya'lls legs...Who can say for certainCould all of this boisterous chatter just be part of my imaginationWho can say for certainOnly time will tell...

Ed T

 

[wrmickel1]

I have not set foot on silly mountain since the early 90's alan...lol...And by the way, I stay away from Scotch...It is the devil's brew I say...I get stupid and talk lots of silly mountain stuff...hehehe...But I do have a case of ice cold Pacifico...I can drink beer with the best of them...The last time I was in Mexico I stopped counting once we downed 120 beers...And there were only 3 of us drinking...Beer is so darned good on a hot day...

Anyhow...If you believe the stones lead to a mountain...More power to you...I will not confirm nor deny such a conclusion...They lead where they lead...And I am not exactly sure what people mean when they state CP...I am under the impression it represents the Cursum Perficio...And who can state with complete certainty that such a place actually exists...Hell...I may be pulling all of ya'lls legs...Who can say for certainCould all of this boisterous chatter just be part of my imaginationWho can say for certainOnly time will tell...

Ed T

I’m going with Imagination on this one.

babymick1

 

[JohnWhite]

I’m going with Imagination on this one.

babymick1

I do have a fairly overactive imagination Mick...IF you do a google search of my name, Edwin Tanguma, a few entries will pop up regarding my creative poetry side...lol...I believe I can give some of the greatest poets in history a run for their money...hahaha...I have even written a few poems that deal with some of my prospecting adventures...

Good luck in your search for the legen Mick...You just might get lucky one day...

It could happen...

Ed T

 

[Oroblanco]

Alan M wrote

He usually is quite civil with his responses, but for some reason, he now seems to be in attack mode

Attack mode? Not sure what is giving you that impression, but if I were angry and in that kind of 'mode' it would not just "seem" like it, there would be no doubt whatsoever. Still don't see why the PSM threads are in the LDM forum, IMHO they should have their own forum as the debate could easily run on for many years to come.

AzDave wrote

its been a while since i looked at those doorstops but i don't remember seeing anything on them that defines them as a treasure map..

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seems to me that if they are a treasure map or map to mines the words "oro" or "mina" or "tesoro" should be on them somewhere

Exactly! And we could also point out that 'treasure' could be a very different matter to different people. For a missionary priest, 'treasure' might be the grave(s) of 'martyrs' to the faith.

 

[somehiker]

seems to me that if they are a treasure map or map to mines the words "oro" or "mina" or "tesoro" should be on them somewhere..30 yrs ago warren koneman (the man that dug the crooked shaft at obie 's mine) took me in to the question mark mine.. he showed me some glyphs or carvings on the way to the mine.....they didn't seem like indian glyphs but more like a treasure map to me...the main thing i do remember was 2 footprints carved in the rock...one pointed directly at obie's mine and the other pointed at a mine high on the cliffs behind obie's mine...the map had a turtle...a snake..a couple of dates...i think one was from the 1700's...the point i'm making is you could definitely tell it was a treasure map of sorts...i don't see that with the peralta stones

Not necessary, since the stone "title page" cross, the map cross,the Cursum Perficio drawing, and the latin heart all have references to gold (ORO), (CAVERNA AURUM) and/or treasure (TESORO) of the holy faith (SANTA FE).
I've listed them in the sequence they all were meant to be used IMO, the first two with the H/P Stone, and the last two with the Trail Stones.

 

[somehiker]

Exactly![/b] And we could also point out that 'treasure' could be a very different matter to different people. For a missionary priest, 'treasure' might be the grave(s) of 'martyrs' to the faith.

How about a mestizo priest with a "holy faith" based on two religions, new and old, Christian and Mex(ica) ?
For him, the end of the trail might hold both gold and graves......and even more.
A place of pilgrimage, perhaps.

 

[azdave35]

Not necessary, since the stone "title page" cross, the map cross,the Cursum Perficio drawing, and the latin heart all have references to gold (ORO), (CAVERNA AURUM) and/or treasure (TESORO) of the holy faith (SANTA FE).
I've listed them in the sequence they all were meant to be used IMO, the first two with the H/P Stone, and the last two with the Trail Stones.

i'm talking about the doorstops...there is nothing on those stones that says anything about mines or treasure

 

[somehiker]

i'm talking about the doorstops...there is nothing on those stones that says anything about mines or treasure

And I'm saying there didn't need to be anything on the "doorstops", since they are only four pieces of a set of at least eleven in total. Nothing more than a "what you need to know as you go" kinda thing.
So far IMO, the latin heart is number nine. Black because it's dark in there.

This might actually be another, but I didn't notice the chevron, or which way it pointed, before I picked it up, and had walked around for a bit, looking for more .
I took this shot after I put it back down in the rocks for the photo......not sure if that's the way it was, but as it's turned out for me, I should have taken the shot before. Could have saved myself a lot of time and miles of hiking, even though I had noticed that it was the same type of stone as the heart stone. I found a large outcropping of layers of the same stone a few days later .

 

[azdave35]

And I'm saying there didn't need to be anything on the "doorstops", since they are only four pieces of a set of at least eleven in total.
So far IMO, the latin heart is number nine. Black because it's dark in there.

This might actually be another, but I didn't notice the chevron, or which way it pointed, before I picked it up.
I took this shot after I put it back down in the rocks for the photo......not sure if that's the way it was, but as it's turned out for me, I should have taken the shot before. Could have saved myself a lot of time and miles of hiking, even though I noticed that it was the same type of stone as the heart stone, of which I found a large outcropping a few days later .

4 of 11?...where did you come up with that?

 

[somehiker]

4 of 11?...where did you come up with that?

H/P + Trail Stones + Red Heart Stone = 4
Stone Crosses + CP + Latin Heart = 4
As for the other 3.....I ain't sayin just yet.

 

[azdave35]

H/P + Trail Stones + Red Heart Stone = 4
Stone Crosses + CP + Latin Heart = 4
As for the other 3.....I ain't sayin just yet.

if you are tossing those in you might as well throw in the one my neighbor has that he found by florence junction..i actually think his is real

 

[somehiker]

if you are tossing those in you might as well throw in the one my neighbor has that he found by florence junction..i actually think his is real

But does it say something about treasure or mines on it ?

 

[Al D]

Alan M wrote


Attack mode? Not sure what is giving you that impression, but if I were angry and in that kind of 'mode' it would not just "seem" like it, there would be no doubt whatsoever.

Because you are playing the Devils advocate by attacking a concept in one post and supporting it in another

 

[azdave35]

But does it say something about treasure or mines on it ?

he wouldn't let me photograph it so i don't remember what all was on it...it just looked genuine to me because it wasn't a crazy cryptic coded mess like the doorstops...it was just a map

 

[somehiker]

he wouldn't let me photograph it so i don't remember what all was on it...it just looked genuine to me because it wasn't a crazy cryptic coded mess like the doorstops...it was just a map

So no numbers, letters, or symbols either ?
This is also "just a map"....
Part of a 1938 Rand-McNally road map coded with all kinds of symbols, numbers,letters and words (some all in Upper case), and differing kinds and colors of lines. Anyone unfamiliar with using this kind of map, and not understanding what the various things meant and how to read it, would be totally lost......especially should their final destination be somewhere beyond what I show in this crop. A "legend" would help of course, but I didn't include it within the crop either.

 

[azdave35]

So no numbers, letters, or symbols either ?
This is also "just a map"....
Part of a 1938 Rand-McNally road map coded with all kinds of symbols, numbers,letters and words (some all in Upper case), and differing kinds and colors of lines. Anyone unfamiliar with using this kind of map, and not understanding what the various things meant and how to read it, would be totally lost......especially should their final destination be somewhere beyond what I show in this crop. A "legend" would help of course, but I didn't include it within the crop either.

it is just a map wayne..like any other map i ever saw...it had a trail and landmarks..no silly numbers or spanish that even spaniards cant decipher ...tom k. saw it too...the man might have let tom photograph it..you'd have to check into it....the peralta stone maps are a puzzle...not a map...meant to drive people insane wayne...the only one that knows what the stones mean are the person that engraved them ..might as well go buy a rubics cube..at least it can be solved...answer this..if those stones have any ties to the church.. then why hasn't the church put a claim on them for religious artifacts?...if they really wanted them they could very easily get them