Oak Island Treasure found in 1913

[marticus]

I was using it as a reference to another part of the convo

 

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[Smithbrown]

Have you never been to the Maritime Museum in Fremantle? Never seen the public displays of the finds from the Batavia? and the other pre-Cook shipwrecks? Some conspiracy! Not very successful, is it?

Everytime I have followed up one of these Portuguese/Spanish bronze swivel gun stories it has turned out to be an Asian Lantaka.

 

[marticus]

No i havnt been there. But its on the bucket list. The books are all conflicting. Arnemland was named from a dutch explorer in the 1600s after his vessel. Silver coins found throughout the top end of aus. So i find it hard to believe that they all came from an asian trade ship.

 

[marticus]

Sorry its sideways

 

[Smithbrown]

I do not know what you mean by writing the evidence is conflicting. The Dutch obligingly left a number of ships behind which have been located and identified from the 17th and 18th centuries;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_17th-century_shipwrecks_in_Australia. Perhaps the Iberian sailors were better and returned home without wrecking their vessels.

 

[Raparee]

8 spanish silver coins from the 1600s. Brass swivel gun. Silver cuttlery found on a beach. A wreck is near by. All peices are from that time period

What methods were used to date these items? What was the context in which they were found? What led you to the conclusion that they could only have been deposited prior to Cook?

 

[Raparee]

Reparee, Ryano, they did exist. The last one was killed in the late 1800-s. in Chunapas, Chih. When I questioned his son in 55, i asked him why, he shrugged and answered " it seemed correct at the time "

They have a buriel cave system some two days ride by mule, in the the Cero de la Canpana...

I also reported the gigantic aquatic serpent up at Tubares that I found myself swimming nude with, apparently they only eat fish, but never the less I always 'wore shorts after, that just in case' while fording the Rio El Fuerte looking for the lost Gloria Pan mine,

Both incidents wer reported to the Academic authroities, with absolutely no action.

Tall people, yes. An entire race of giants, no. There is no evidence of that.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Come on down Reparee, and I find you a guide. They were in general 9 to 12 ft tall, and with red hair with a double set of molars. The cerro de La Campana was their burieal site, or at least one of them. They were slow moving and not too intelligent, according to my Informant, also high up in the sierras, this side of Chinapas, on a sloughed off place on a cliff, some one had drawn the life size image of all of the foot prints of the occupants including normal foot prints and some 2 - 3 times as large? Why I have no idea unles it was a sort of school.

The school teacher at Camotes, managed to get one of the skulls and invited me over to see it. Unfortunately before I could, he was
transferred. He said it was approx twice te size of a normal skull,

Up at Tayopa a Mexican prospector found a sealed cave. Upon opening it, expecting to find a treasue, he only found two of the giants skeletons wrapped in woven mats. He was so disappointed that he just threw them down the cliff, When I notified hin that he had indeed found a treasure and ofered to buy the remains, he could never find them again, the woven mats yes , but no bones,

Also while on the Guadalcanall campaign in 42, the natives told me essentially the same story of giants with red hair living in the most remote part of the |Islnd. He mentioned that there were cannibalistic, as were the Islands regular inhabitants.

so in light of the evdence I am forcd to accept that there were redhaired cannibalistic giants around

 

[Smithbrown]

An awful lot of stories but not a single bone to show us?

 

[Raparee]

^^ what he said. Stories with no tangible, supporting corroboration.

 

[Raparee]

Come on down Reparee, and I find you a guide.

You know, this February when it's -30C and there's 4 feet of snow on the ground, I might take you up on the offer.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hmmmm

 

[lokiblossom]

You know, this February when it's -30C and there's 4 feet of snow on the ground, I might take you up on the offer.

Hey! me too, I love Sonora.
Cheers, Loki

 

[Raparee]

You had better put some coffee on, RTT. Looks like you're going to have some company this winter!

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Sinve I am now 93, there is a distinct possibility that I won't meet you as you ordered Rap.

 

[Dr. Syn]

Remember history as we know it, is only what those who tell it want us to know at the time. Many of the history facts have been found to be, lets just say, not quite the facts that were reported. Columbus discovered America. World is flat. Sun revolves around the Earth. So why not hide some facts to protect the history you are telling? Did the Big Guy try out different models of us before he settled on the current one? Why not, it's called R&D, see what works and what doesn't. Okay a Platypus still defies reason, but for us to say there weren't other types of humans is kinda silly. All you have to do is look at the current crop to see we may all be the same, but we are also different. Not like we can/could all be the dark haired, deeply tanned, swashbuckling, ladies swooning over Don Jose. We can only wish...

And something else. I grew up on a farm, we raised cattle. We bred them to work out the bad, and increase the good. Same with humans. They could easily breed out a giant race. Humans tend to focus on what is beauty. Some guy 9 feet tall is going to stick out like some guy 9 feet tall in a crowd.
Back to our beginnings, being different tends to get you noticed. Not a good thing if you are the 9 foot tall guy with a bunch of 5 footers that some lion spots.
Maybe for basketball but not good for avoiding the lunch crowd. And so humanity breeds them or their condition out, as between the obvious easy prey bit, they are not what we consider the norm.

 

[Dave Rishar]

And something else. I grew up on a farm, we raised cattle. We bred them to work out the bad, and increase the good. Same with humans. They could easily breed out a giant race. Humans tend to focus on what is beauty. Some guy 9 feet tall is going to stick out like some guy 9 feet tall in a crowd.
Back to our beginnings, being different tends to get you noticed. Not a good thing if you are the 9 foot tall guy with a bunch of 5 footers that some lion spots.
Maybe for basketball but not good for avoiding the lunch crowd. And so humanity breeds them or their condition out, as between the obvious easy prey bit, they are not what we consider the norm.

Kind of. Things are bit more complicated though.

See, the thing is that while we humans adapt to our environment over time, some of that adaptation is self-imposed - we are already selectively breeding ourselves, and not always for obvious reasons. Consider what most humans consider desirable in other humans when seeking a mate, and the one trait that keeps popping up is symmetry. Why would we be programmed to find symmetry attractive? Simple. Symmetry implies proper growth, which suggests good health and good DNA - exactly the sort of person that you'd want to have children with from an evolutionary standpoint.

But what about blue eyes? That's a very old mutation that's been artificially reinforced over many thousands of years. Blue eyes are a rarity in most mammals and there's a good reason for this: they don't function as well as brown eyes do. True story! Brown is a better color from a technical standpoint, which is why it's such a common eye color among mammals. Granted, the difference is small and having blue eyes as a caveman is not a death sentence, but it's a rare mutation that we've selectively reinforced over time, even though (from the point of view of the rest of the natural world, including potential predators) it places us at a disadvantage. So why did we encourage it? We don't know and can't know why our ancestors favored it, but the simple theory holds that it was unusual enough to be desirable without contradicting any pre-existing "programming" in our minds and was not an obvious disadvantage, so early people actively sought out mates with blue eyes. (Red and blonde hair might be in the same boat.)

Would being massively tall place someone at a disadvantage against predators? I don't think so. I don't know much about Old World lion attacks and they're often not documented well, but New World predatory cat attacks (in this case, from our good friend the cougar) are much better recorded and easily found. I'm not convinced that enough of them have occurred to be statistically significant, but this is all we have, so this is what we work with. You'll notice some definite trends when you read over them. The victims are always one of three types:

1. A jogger, skier, or bicyclist. Fast motions tend to trigger predatory instincts in cats. You can even fool some house cats into pursuing (and possibly mock attacking) an adult human in this way.

2. Small children.

3. The elderly.

Discounting #1, we see another trend that's nearly universal among the predators of the natural world: predators look for dinner, not fights. A fight with a prey animal may very well wind up killing you. Instead, you pick out the weakest and/or most isolated animal and you go for the easy meal. These predators (in particular cats) actively avoid the largest target. Do you think that a person significantly taller (and thus probably faster, and possibly stronger as well) would be at a disadvantage against predators? Or would the person that's shorter and skinnier than the rest be in trouble?

But it gets more complicated than that, because in the industrialized world, predators are not a problem. Heart disease and cancer are the problems. Some of the food allergies that are common today would have guaranteed that you would not have survived childhood two centuries ago. Modern medicine has removed those evolutionary pressures, and in the span of even a few generations, health issues that didn't really exist before are now becoming common. And that's the thing with evolution - it happens surprisingly quickly.

So why not people that are 9 feet tall today? It's not because of lions. It never was.

Why are mainstream historians so reluctant to change their views on history? They're not, really. Most people thought that Columbus was the first to the New World until the L'anse aux Meadows excavation. The result of that was not a government coverup or riots in the streets. Instead, the historians said, "Well, it is what it is. Time to rewrite the history books."

This is why forensic evidence trumps theories, and why I disapprove of using questionable evidence and/or cherry picking evidence to try to force a theory. The theory should be created to explain the evidence, not vice versa.

Also, this post got away from me in terms of length. Sorry about that, but human evolution fascinates me. I'd tell you that I typed this up on an iPad mini but I don't think that anyone would believe me.

 

[Craigwac]

In all honesty. I dont really care about the sword. It was a attention grab to liven up a dull season 3. Now there going after some cross. Which someone did share a catalog in which the cross could be purchased from. Its tv there going to do what they can for ratings.

The rumor from folks working on the show is that the Laginas realized the sword was fake early on (like many others did after seeing it on the show), but bought it and had it tested and showed the testing on air - specifically to discredit "Hutton J. Pulitzer", AKA "Commander", AKA "Jeffry Jovan Philyaw", etc. because he has been conning people for decades.

I forget where I read that, but it had the ring of truth. The Laginas and the show distanced themselves as much as they could after the whole sword fiasco.

 

[Ryano]

Well the latest issue of "Silver and Gold" (I think that's what is called) has a 5 page spread of the Lagina Brothers making merry with Pulitzer about the Roman Sword discovery at Oak Island.

This magazine was found on display at my local BooksAMillion nestled between Nat Geo and Scientific American !

I was tempted to relocate it to the comics section.

 

[marticus]

Thats tv for ya