Oh Great how do we feed the kids

[centfladigger]

I dont see how a drought in the west should affect the price of beef like it does. Florida ranks number 2 or 3 in the nation for cattle and we have been wet down here for pretty much all year with all this rain. I dont buy store bought beef anyways, it is venison or homegrown butchered cows for us

 

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[ivan salis]

I find it sad but oddly funny that people think that govt can "give" them free stuff === when the only money govt has is what it takes from "we the people" whatever the govt gives you they had to first take that much and more * from the american tax payors ( more because they have to to run the govt off of what they take in and to pay their salarys with before they can give back anything ) from you and your fellow americans via taxes unless of course they are making "debt" in the american tax payors name , which of course will have to paid off "with interest" by we the american tax payors -- wake up folks --there is no damn free lunch --sooner or later the bill comes due.

the govt by it very existance is a burden upon the people --that said the best govt should be as small as possible to do the things it must do and thus by being small --it will be less of a burden to the tax payors of america --small govt = good govt.

the larger a govt becomes the more it takes over and attempts to control the population and the more of the tax payor income it needs to "feed" itself

 

[Moonrover]

I find it sad but oddly funny that people think that govt can "give" them free stuff === when the only money govt has is what it takes from "we the people" whatever the govt gives you they had to first take that much and more * from the american tax payors ...

Right on target, Ivan. For as long as I can remember this country has allowed the false mindset of "government money" to somehow wipe out the fact that the government gets every cent from the working population. Our money is relabeled as government money, federal money, grant money, assistance money, on and on.

Just the actual dollars taken from taxpayers is the tip of the iceberg, as most of us already know. The government furthers the falsehood of the size of the pool of "government money" by the sneaky debt burden. Borrow from somewhere (Issuing notes payable in the future), and the big one ... borrowing from itself. Printing money that is not backed by anything real, unless the "full faith and credit of the US" is considered a valid and hard asset. It's like adding more water to the chicken soup and trying to tell us it is still the same nourishing chicken soup.

I love that analogy because it points out the dire situation we are heading into. Trying to live on a diet of water, and of course the even less nourishing promises from politicians.

The clock of survival is about to be turned back to pre-revolutionary days. Every family was at one time responsible for its own survival ... food production ... shelter ... personal safety. Groups of people formed to offer mutual support, and didn't expect outside help from the government. There was a time when I would have considered this scenario only a distant possibility. Now it is looking more like a solution to continued survival beyond the end of this decade.

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[coinshooter]

Our "president", has spent 10 million $ of our $ since he became president taking "vacations".
We need to throw out ALL the bums who think they are entitled and start getting back to watching the wallet.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I dont see how a drought in the west should affect the price of beef like it does. Florida ranks number 2 or 3 in the nation for cattle and we have been wet down here for pretty much all year with all this rain. I dont buy store bought beef anyways, it is venison or homegrown butchered cows for us

Drought in the west affects the feed for the cattle, your corn and wheat crop goes down, your beef price goes up.....

 

[Gold Maven]

I agree, cradle to grave healthcare is good for the people...until it bankrupts the government. How long can a government afford this? Your taxes (and most of Europe's as well) are absurd. Think of it this way, you are paying one way or another.

BTW, I am NOT bashing Canada...I love your country and have had many great experiences in Quebec, New Brunswick and Ontario (I have family in NB and Ont). My husband and I have even considered retiring to Canada, but need to see how things shake out down here first.

Anita

It's true we are paying for health care one way or another, but cutting out the insurance companies would save billions.
Ever see an insurance company in financial trouble? They take little risk, and receive large rewards.
I'm no a Michael Moore fan, but his film Sicko, about the health care system is a real eye opener.

 

[spartacus53]

Increasing food prices , just blame it on the weather Yes, drought, heat waves, flooding cold all impact the food chain. One crop grows, another one dies, it's always been like that

Now as far as health care, you can point your finger at one ugly reality..

L I T I G A T I O N

Yup, good ol' litigation, keeps the lawyers fat and doctors unable to cover malpractice insurance costs. Yes, you should be able to sue for egregious acts, but there should be some sort of tier payments in regards to damages.

So don't blame the system, blame those that profit from misuse

 

[Moonrover]

Increasing food prices ...

Yup, good ol' litigation, keeps the lawyers fat ...

Look at the recent government pronouncement suggesting all cantaloupes grown in southern Indiana should not be purchased. They could not pinpoint the farm where the potentially tainted food was grown. Soooo ... just trash an entire crop from southern Indiana. Boosts the unemployment numbers. Except for lawyers who are probably already chasing down hospital records on recent food poisoning cases.

I don't hate lawyers. Matter of fact one is a close friend. However if I see him when I'm near his office I will not partake in a conversation for fear of getting a time itemized bill in the mail. <lol>. "Hello ... Great day ... Nice to see you again. Well gotta go.". $200

M

 

[spartacus53]

If you're going to spam, at least do it in English

Sad part is that food will continue to increase and package sizes will be reduced too. I have already seen a reduction in certain foods due to the drought, and hiked up prices to boot. If you want to be smart start saving up on dried beans, rice, and pasta. Dried beans are inexpensive and chock full of protein and fiber

 

[Coinstriking Michigan]

The only Americans that like Obamacare are those that are card carrying members of "welfare nation" who have no shame.

 

[lookindown]

According to the local news beef is going to hit new time high. Everything is out of control. Can,t drive gas is to high, but that is okay since I can't afford a car. Can't smoke since the price of cigs are beyond my budget, but that is OK since I can't afford health care. Now I can't afford beef, that OK since I like turkey better. Turkey is the new beef.

Your user name is the answer to your question...beans instead of beef...just close your eyes and pretend that lima bean is a t-bone.

 

[jerseyben]

Our "president", has spent 10 million $ of our $ since he became president taking "vacations".
We need to throw out ALL the bums who think they are entitled and start getting back to watching the wallet.

Which "president" are you referring to? Take a look here FactCheck.org : President Obama’s Vacation Days and get back to me on how much money several past presidents have spent taking vacation days while in office.

 

[DeerStalker]

I know here in northern Indiana about 90% of our corn crops are toast due to the drought we had this summer. So that means less silage for the cows and pigs. I'm sure beef won't be the only thing going up in price this year.

 

[Rob in KS]

Here in Kansas and much of the plains, this is the second broiling hot summer. Fields that should have produced 50 bushels/acre are lucky to get 10. Some fields aren't even worth the time and diesel to harvest. The price of hay has skyrocketed, a small heard can eat a big round bale in 2 days... at $50 or $60 a bale. There are about 120 days that the cows would be on hay, so you can see how that adds up. Some ranchers were reducing their herds LAST YEAR. That means fewer cattle in the future. Cows all around and I haven't had a steak in years.

 

[Moonrover]

Here in Kansas and much of the plains, this is the second broiling hot summer. Fields that should have produced 50 bushels/acre are lucky to get 10. Some fields aren't even worth the time and diesel to harvest. The price of hay has skyrocketed, a small heard can eat a big round bale in 2 days... at $50 or $60 a bale. There are about 120 days that the cows would be on hay, so you can see how that adds up. Some ranchers were reducing their herds LAST YEAR. That means fewer cattle in the future. Cows all around and I haven't had a steak in years.

Ironic that the downtrend of the economy is also hitting the owners of riding horses. People who for all appearances are in the "upper crust" of society are not paying stable bills, and sticking the stable owners with the task of paying for feed out of their own shrinking profit. Just finished reading a feature article in this mornings newspaper about horses being sent to non-profit shelters because the owners can no longer afford the $35 to $65 per round hay bale cost. The cost has risen from about $12 per bale average price two years ago.

I want to restate that the horse owners are not unemployed, but are feeling the sting of the falling economy. Hence they are cutting back on "luxuries". The "unemployed" in this scenario will be the stable owners and workers.

Small animal shelters are already over capacity with pets that have been brought in by impoverished owners. Taxpayers are being asked to increase funding for the shelters (bond issues on upcoming election ballots).

It does not take much "standing back and looking at the big picture" to see that we all are in a vast downward economic spiral. Likely far more unrepairable than the last great depression. During that depression there was not a huge population perpetually dependent on government handouts. This time, I'm afraid that when the government can no longer find enough taxpayers to feed the welfare entitlement masses, we will see crime become uncontrollable.

I can pull up volumes of historical precedence where former great societies have declined into non-existence due to government overspending. It does not require a PhD in economics to see the obvious. The national debt calculator is just about to display the $16 trillion figure. That number is deceptive. It shows what we owe ABOVE what we take in. Meaning our government is spending the total of what it takes in plus the outlay for all government operation plus interest owned on borrowed money. A figure FAR larger than $16 trillion.

Currently there are "fixes" proposed for reducing the national debt. This is a tender subject in an election year. All politicians blather about why we are in such a pickle and how we can get out of it. Based on common logic, it can not be done. Add to that the difficulty of convincing the large part of the population that is unwilling to settle for reduced entitlements. Our ticket to the ride on the economic death spiral has already been purchased.

Since I am not allowed by forum rules (and rightly so) to get into a politically charged rant, likely I have at times danced on the edges of sanction. In private my close friends (all retired business executives and professionals) get together to toss ideas around. We have arguments. We propose hypothetical scenarios of what 2013 will look like economically under different administrations. Frightening that our scenarios coalesce and "see" two sharply different futures depending on how the November election turns out. I won't post those detailed scenarios here. One scenario is a trip over the cliff. The other is belt tightening the likes of which we have never seen.

I'm curious ... what is everyone here on the Treasure Net doing to prepare for future tough times? Initially this thread was started to ask how do we feed the kids, but what are the unemployed doing to prepare for the possibility of even rougher times ahead? What are retirees doing to protect their income flow? Savings? Personal survival and protection?

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