OK nows a good time to start panicking !

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The first of what is probably going to be many bank closings, after a run on the bank by local depositers, the FDIC steps in to close INDYMAC bank.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2008/07/07/daily91.html

The Feds waited until Fri, with the express purposes of missing the close of the stock exchange. But ome monday morning how many of you are gonna start pulling out your money and cashing in stocks etc..? :o
 

Thanks Marc, that's a really cool tool. I wonder if you've got other sites online, cause your pretty darn talented, this site is totally different from anything else I've seen online.

I don't know if anyone else is as scared as I am, but The mortgage Giants Fannie May and Freddie Mack were both hammered on Fri. With this news of INDYMAC being forced to close, they are the third largest Mortgage Holders nationwide. I'm really nervous as to what Mon morning will bring as the markets open to all this news. If people start felling as I do that I may need to start pooling and liquidating my investments starting monday morning things could go from bad to worse very fast. FDIC only insures up to $100,000.00 of cash deposits. What happens to paper lions is yet to be determined, I've already suffered substantial losses from stock losses, I can't afford more hits, or my retirement will come to an abrupt ending. I'm way too old to start over Damnit ! :-[ >:(
 

I'm worried too - that's a REALLY bad way to end a week!

I can link to any other sites - if you know of better charts / info - let me know, and I'll add them here...

http://forum.treasurenet.com/money

(I just added oil price charts)

Thanks!
Marc
 

Money mkts would be a good one. I hate to listen to the people who are gonna make this a patriotism issue but I saw the switch to the Euro coming a while back and have invested there as well as private holdings in certain un named companies. Gold has been my saving grace other than the Euro. I've been holding out with high hopes for a comeback in the private holdings but I'm thinking the writing may be on the wall with this economy. I like the Boards you've chosen so far, there all really pretty much the same, except for some seem to have a greater time lag. I don't pay any attention to the pundits aboard each board because too many of them come with their own agendas and biases.
 

my areas largest bank is in trouble. they have had large lay offs and people are jumping ship every chance they get. their stocks went from $30.00+ to $4.00+ in just over a year due to bad mortgages. I was told customers with millions are closing their accounts. I think the snowball is still near the top of the hill, it has a long way to go before it hits the bottom.
 

Thanks Marc!

Anything we can do, to encourage folks to learn what is going on around them will hopefully assist them in making better decisions.

In one article on the indymac failure one lady who could not get in to remove her cash was flustered because they 'had not told her they were in trouble!'

Yet another knew they were in dire straits, but left her account there because a teller was her friend!!!

Pension defaults are going to be a big issue.
Retired folks who were doing well, all of a sudden are NOT.

Failure of United Airlines cut the pension of the widow of the pilot who's plan was hijacked and crashed into the Tower on 9-11. She says she'll be ok, but is supporting their two children from plan proceeds.

Any credit requirements are getting much more strict now.
It will affect all growth and productivity.

Young people will just not have anywhere near the opportunity we have had.
We are looking to a period of time with much less, of everything.

Government bailout of private enterprises is very wrong.
Fat cats took big risks and made huge profits. Now, when they lose, the burden of loss goes to the taxpayer?
That's just wrong. I don't care who yah are.

It will be a whole new nightmare of a scenario when holders of the government bonds come to foreclose upon them... They'll just swap them out for farmland. And send crews with equipment to work and harvest that farmland. Produce will be loaded on the trucks, driven to the ports, and shipped to some foreign port.

We'll enjoy the liberty and freedom to stand along the highway and watch it all pass by.

Best
 

Re: OK nows a good time to start panicking ! --- Foreign holdings---

...and here's what I mean...

I just found this, presented by Ilargi, over at Automatic Earth

So what? A sultan buys the Chrysler building... He's laughing about it.
It's only a small trophy to him.

Yet, as he amasses even more wealth from his oil money, he's GOT to hedge his own bets, for when his oil runs out, and get into some other fields... diversify, you know....

So he buys corporations, using the HUGE stack to T-bills he's got siting around.
Those corporations own our mines, and mega farms, and cattle ranches in Wyoming.

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Foreign Investors Pile Up More Pieces of Americana


The hunt for the great American trophy asset is on. The global commodities boom and the dollar’s decline have unleashed a wave of big money buys of prized American assets by newly flush foreign investors.

From $100 million mansions in Palm Beach, Fla., to $23 million modern art confections, to multibillion-dollar stakes in once-venerated Wall Street banks, the number of flashy acquisitions by Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs, Qatari sheiks and large government-sponsored funds in the Middle East is growing.

And now Abu Dhabi, which already owns a 4.9 percent stake in Citigroup, has expanded its portfolio of choice American assets to include the Chrysler Building, whose thin spire and Art Deco styling make it an indelible feature of New York City’s skyline.

The government of Abu Dhabi bought a 90 percent stake in the landmark building Tuesday for $800 million from a German real estate fund managed by Prudential Real Estate Investors. The 1,046-foot (319-meter) tower was designed by William Van Alen and completed in 1930 for the Chrysler Corporation and its founder, Walter Chrysler.

The foreign purchases, especially the Chrysler investment and Middle East involvement in the recent sale of the General Motors building in New York, recall a similar financial plunge by Japanese investors into marquee American properties like Rockefeller Center and the Pebble Beach golf course in California in the early 1990s.

That foray ended badly — many of the investments were unprofitable — and a more insular America, just beginning to worry about its stature as a global economic power, reacted with suspicion. Now, with the dollar down more than 40 percent against the euro and the economy hamstrung by a credit crisis, a less-assured America has become increasingly reliant on foreign capital.

While there has been some scrutiny of these investments from Congress, there is also recognition that these funds, which maintain passive investment positions, will perform a crucial petrodollar recycling function.

“This is the natural outgrowth of us exporting a huge amount of dollars through high commodity prices to countries that have to reinvest it somewhere,” said Douglas Rediker, a sovereign fund expert at the New America Foundation, a research and advocacy organization. “These countries have to extend beyond Treasury bills, and that means equities and real estate.”

Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and other gulf countries rich with oil revenue have taken advantage of falling prices to invest in real estate and financial companies around the world. Middle Eastern investors have spent $1.8 billion this year on American commercial property, according to Real Capital Analytics, a New York property research firm.

As with the Japanese, much has been said about the losses incurred so far by these funds. Abu Dhabi’s main fund, the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, or A.D.I.A., invested $7.9 billion in Citigroup last year when the stock was trading at $31. Now Citigroup trades at $17, and while the fund still has more than two years before its bond converts into stock, Citigroup’s troubles cast doubt on whether the investment will ever be profitable.

Unlike pension funds, hedge funds or mutual funds, however, sovereign funds, and in particular Abu Dhabi’s, do not face any claims on their assets in the form of liabilities, redemptions or domestic investment requirements. As a result, their investment outlook is very long term in nature.

With oil hovering near $140 a barrel, analysts expect countries in the gulf to generate yearly cash surpluses of $300 billion — Abu Dhabi’s share is said to be more than $50 billion — with sovereign funds in this area forecast to reach a size of $15 trillion by 2020.
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The big problem here is that the "Fat Cats" are immune from having to face the music for what they have done.

BTW, they reminded me to continue to send in my mortgage payment even though they have been taken over by the Feds ::)

Perhaps, if they began by taking back all the "bonuses" and exhorbitant income derived from running this bank in the ground, which were paid to the "Fat Cats" it might stop others from pulling the same B.S. that has created what some are calling the biggest bank collapse in U.S. History.

Also, Chuck Schumer contributed to the demise by the letter he wrote when he used the phrase "likely collapse". The letter was supposed to "help" the troubled lender, and boy did it! As a result of Chuck's letter, last week something like 1.3 BILLION were withdrawn from their bank. The run on IndyMac can only remind one of the runs of the time period which sparked the great depression. Maybe he should have to contribute some of his wealth, or just step down.

Outrageous to say the least!!!
 

I don't know about anyone else but I'm stayin home on monday just to keep an eye on the markets. :wink:
 

Re: OK nows a good time to start panicking ! --- Foreign holdings---

rmptr said:
...and here's what I mean...

I just found this, presented by Ilargi, over at Automatic Earth

So what? A sultan buys the Chrysler building... He's laughing about it.
It's only a small trophy to him.

Yet, as he amasses even more wealth from his oil money, he's GOT to hedge his own bets, for when his oil runs out, and get into some other fields... diversify, you know....

So he buys corporations, using the HUGE stack to T-bills he's got siting around.
Those corporations own our mines, and mega farms, and cattle ranches in Wyoming.

<clip>

Foreign Investors Pile Up More Pieces of Americana


The hunt for the great American trophy asset is on. The global commodities boom and the dollar’s decline have unleashed a wave of big money buys of prized American assets by newly flush foreign investors.

From $100 million mansions in Palm Beach, Fla., to $23 million modern art confections, to multibillion-dollar stakes in once-venerated Wall Street banks, the number of flashy acquisitions by Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs, Qatari sheiks and large government-sponsored funds in the Middle East is growing.

And now Abu Dhabi, which already owns a 4.9 percent stake in Citigroup, has expanded its portfolio of choice American assets to include the Chrysler Building, whose thin spire and Art Deco styling make it an indelible feature of New York City’s skyline.

The government of Abu Dhabi bought a 90 percent stake in the landmark building Tuesday for $800 million from a German real estate fund managed by Prudential Real Estate Investors. The 1,046-foot (319-meter) tower was designed by William Van Alen and completed in 1930 for the Chrysler Corporation and its founder, Walter Chrysler.

The foreign purchases, especially the Chrysler investment and Middle East involvement in the recent sale of the General Motors building in New York, recall a similar financial plunge by Japanese investors into marquee American properties like Rockefeller Center and the Pebble Beach golf course in California in the early 1990s.

That foray ended badly — many of the investments were unprofitable — and a more insular America, just beginning to worry about its stature as a global economic power, reacted with suspicion. Now, with the dollar down more than 40 percent against the euro and the economy hamstrung by a credit crisis, a less-assured America has become increasingly reliant on foreign capital.

While there has been some scrutiny of these investments from Congress, there is also recognition that these funds, which maintain passive investment positions, will perform a crucial petrodollar recycling function.

“This is the natural outgrowth of us exporting a huge amount of dollars through high commodity prices to countries that have to reinvest it somewhere,” said Douglas Rediker, a sovereign fund expert at the New America Foundation, a research and advocacy organization. “These countries have to extend beyond Treasury bills, and that means equities and real estate.”

Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and other gulf countries rich with oil revenue have taken advantage of falling prices to invest in real estate and financial companies around the world. Middle Eastern investors have spent $1.8 billion this year on American commercial property, according to Real Capital Analytics, a New York property research firm.

As with the Japanese, much has been said about the losses incurred so far by these funds. Abu Dhabi’s main fund, the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, or A.D.I.A., invested $7.9 billion in Citigroup last year when the stock was trading at $31. Now Citigroup trades at $17, and while the fund still has more than two years before its bond converts into stock, Citigroup’s troubles cast doubt on whether the investment will ever be profitable.

Unlike pension funds, hedge funds or mutual funds, however, sovereign funds, and in particular Abu Dhabi’s, do not face any claims on their assets in the form of liabilities, redemptions or domestic investment requirements. As a result, their investment outlook is very long term in nature.

With oil hovering near $140 a barrel, analysts expect countries in the gulf to generate yearly cash surpluses of $300 billion — Abu Dhabi’s share is said to be more than $50 billion — with sovereign funds in this area forecast to reach a size of $15 trillion by 2020.
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I have a big problem with foreigners (don't care where you are from) buying property, buildings, etc in the United States. Since when is the United States for sale.
 

RON (PA) said:
I have a big problem with foreigners (don't care where you are from) buying property, buildings, etc in the United States. Since when is the United States for sale.

It started a long, long time ago, from before Americans like me started buying land and buildings in Canada, Japan, Mexico, and Italy. There's nothing wrong with foreign investments in America, just as I have to abide by the laws in the afore mentioned countries so too, they must abide by ours. Although it's true enough that I'm no ways near wealthy enough to buy a landmark like the Chrysler Building. Still it is just a conglomeration of steel and glass, within which business is conducted. :o
 

Could it be that this is the beginning of the economic crash in America that the Doom & Gloom folks keep expecting?

TW
 

Those who are expecting an economic collapse may have something here. I'm no doom and gloomer and I hope yopur not implying I am. But this is a very shaky scarry thing for anyone of us that really understand economics. It's not just the cold hard cash that is insured by the FDIC that is are at risk here. There's a very large part of the population whos' wealth is tied up in intangibles. They are in (my Opinion), paper lions. I do have some money in intangibles still, but not for long come monday. Am I runnin scared probably, but let me give you one example of what can happen. One day a couple years back, I happened to be spending time on line and went to check my investments etc... I noticed a considerable drop in one stock I owned in particular, Citi Group Inc. they were trading at a high of $56 per share but had dropped by 2% to around $53
Not a catastrophic drop by any means I know. But I should have listened to my gut and traded them then. By the 3 month mark when I next looked into them I saw they were down by 15%. Nuff said to me that was a pretty good hit to my portfolio, I lost a real chunk of change there. Last I looked Citi stock is trading around $16 per share. That translates into better than a 60% loss in one quick move. I know some people will say that it took a couple of years for this fall, but for this type of stock to fall that fast is very unusual, especially since most people like myself invested here because it was supposed to be so stable, no volitility etc...

So to answer your question Timberwolf, I don't know if the sky is falling yet, but like I said before I'm staying home and watching the market real close come monday.
 

Someotherdude,

No, I was not saying that you are one of the gloom & doom'ers....but I am ;D

It should get interesting real soon, if this really is the beginning :wink:

TW
 

It would not really be possible to prevent foreign control over business, entire industries, or even banks and real property.

ALL the major corporations are multi-national and control of them can be purchased by anyone with surplus cash.

With any controlling interest, you can direct the efforts of a company.

I would say I am NOT a gloom and doom person.

Yet, I can read the writing on the wall.

I feel some have been far too greedy and have led us to a point beyond sensible return.

How the turmoil will manifest itself in ultimate resolution is most likely the same way dispute has always been resolved. There's really no option.

When? Who knows.

IMO, based principally upon the synthesis of the world financial situation presented by Ilargi at Automatic Earth, this next winter in the northern hemisphere shall bring many things to the fan where it will be impossible for the general populace NOT to be aware of them personally.

Some are claiming that 07/08 was the real estate meltdown, 08/09 will be everything else.

I am a Peak Oil proponent. It is without doubt a finite resource.
The emerging nations are growing so quickly they will command a far larger share of the resource than ever before, and escalate. Our lives are about to change to something far different.

Best not to panic, but make preparations for a scaled back lifestyle across the board.

Or go for one last fling!

Best
 

HIO smoother dude: you posted -->

FDIC "only" insures up to $100,000.00 of cash deposits
~~~~~~~~~~~

Hmmm, does this mean ? sheeh, is you a fat cat man?

Don Jose de La Mancha
 

My friends, this is just the start of the domino's falling.
By the end of this month, A lot more will have come down. There were a lot of people who just would not believe
that this could happen in the United States. Bad political decisions. bad investments. poor judgement.
a 404 million dollar a day war in Iraq.
7 years of drain on the United States economy.
Something had to give. And, this time, It may not be able to get "fixed".
What little I had, I put into gold about a year ago.
I'm hoping that some of you did too.

Roadquest
 

Real de Tayopa said:
HIO smoother dude: you posted -->

FDIC "only" insures up to $100,000.00 of cash deposits
~~~~~~~~~~~

Hmmm, does this mean ? sheeh, is you a fat cat man?

Don Jose de La Mancha

More of a paper kitty Don Jose :D
 

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