Is it with the RSD coil?
So... I greatly appreciate all the thoughts and recommendations about the Outlaw and pull tabs. I was reading "Mastering the Tesoro Tejon and Vaquero" and it made me realize as he was discussing the "one way signal" that was what I was getting with those deep tabs. Not sure it was for both that I dug but I am certain I was getting it for the one deep beaver tail I dug.
I really am interested in learning more of those tips regarding a good round signal vs the broken, iffy and "one way signals. Perhaps over time I will be able to tell the difference in just the sound, even if it hits strong in all directions. I have been using a pair of Grey Ghosts with the Golden, and as I only have these, on the Outlaw the one time I took it out. Wondering if the killer bees would be a big enough difference to spring for them for the Outlaw?
The shift up phenomenon is even more noticeable with the Golden µMAX. Hunting in Europe, all our good euro coins fall in the mediumlow tone-range; When deep (10"+), they will signal themselves with a faint, quiet HIGH tone, instead of medium low.
You should encounter the same situation with deep copper cents, wheats, or other coins and heavy (class) rings (mostly 10K) that normally signal in the medium low range of the golden µmax, but you won't notice it with the Outlaw, because of the single tone.
By the way, can you give a short comment on the Outlaw vs the Golden ? Just out of curiosity...We can get the Outlaw here, but they are thin on the ground, I was lucky to find a nearly new Golden over here (v2).
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Grumpy
The Outlaw should get more respect than it does. Hey, after all it IS Tesorso's newest machine.
Thank you, Hihosilver, for taking the time to answer my "overseas" question !
I had an 8" fixed coil Compadre years ago (we had them here in Europe before the U.S.), and was thinking of getting me another one, this time with interchangeable coils option. It's a five pinner also. But I might want to try the Outlaw before.
The Compadre was excellent in dry sand, I found really small gold jewelry with it.
But I am partial : I love the (original) µMAX concept. I just love the Golden, I'm better at interpreting audio signals than digital displays (but they're sometimes very useful). The Golden is not limited to four tones, it has shades of discimination that improve the accuracy of the user's hearing, making it a great C&J unit.
S
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So took the Outlaw out today to a park, this was my first time using with the new machine. Very trashy park! So after awhile, decided to raise the disc and just look for coins. Well, even with the disc past zinc, I was still getting deep pull tabs, the older beaver tail type. Using the 8" concentric. What is funny is that they easily disc out in an air test.
The Golden umax does the same thing with the concentric coil. Not so much with the DD.
Is this typical?
Pull tabs are the chameleon's of many hits in the gold range. A nickel doesn't change shape. Pull Tabs can shape themselves into so many different conductivity readings. Over time, I found it was better to ID a pulltab rather than ID a good target, since pull tabs outnumber the good stuff. It's better to ID it a pull tab and be wrong, than to Id it a target and be wrong. With Tesoro's, the disc is as iffy as the signal (in many cases). The reason for a "beep and dig" analogy. Even displayed conductivity numbers on an LCD isn't a lot better, it tends to be a bit more accurate than a thumb control.
So, are Golden Umax type tab notches a bad idea? Do pulltabs so perfectly overlap over gold that notching is going to cost you gold?