Blak bart
Gold Member
Most sensible thing ive herd in a while.
Ive always thought the same way.
Ive always thought the same way.
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Placing a value on the French monument removed by the Spanish and lost at Sea.
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There already was an association ProSEA Professional Shipwreck Explorers Association, Inc
Street Address: P.O. Box 320057
City: Tampa
State: Florida
Country: United States of America
Postal Code: 33679-2057
Internet URL: prosea.org
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Getting back to the original topic.
From an historical account, I am curious on this account, as the number of ships wrecked is sometimes all of them, or 4 of them wrecked with 3 scuttled, and yet 2 remain to return to France:
Upon his release from prison in 1564, sea captain Jean Ribault was commissioned to lead the relief mission to Florida. Ribault’s fleet consisted of seven ships loaded with armament and munitions, supplies, livestock, 500 soldiers, and as many as 500 more seamen and colonists.
Ribault’s plan almost worked. His fleet surprised the Spanish and almost captured Menéndez, who barely managed to make it across the sandbar. Ribault’s ships were too large to follow at low tide, but instead sailed south to search for San Pelayo, which had departed only hours before.
It was the following day that the fateful storm struck. Either a nor’easter or a true hurricane, the powerful winds drove Ribault’s fleet further south. Despite frantic attempts to claw their way to deeper waters, all the ships were run aground and shipwrecked. Three of the ships were lost in the vicinity of Ponce Inlet, broken to pieces in the surf, while the flagship La Trinité was stranded intact on a sandbar five to ten leagues further south, towards Cape Canaveral.
After an abortive parley attempt from on board one of Ribault’s smaller vessels (Perle) anchored off the fort, the French sailed in their five remaining vessels downriver to the safety of the river mouth. After consolidating their scattered survivors, a decision was made between Laudonnière and Ribault’s son, Jacques.
On 25 September the three smaller vessels were scuttled, and the two remaining ships of Ribault’s fleet, Perle and Levrière, sailed for France.
The final act came on 1 November, when Menéndez led an expedition south to locate the final French survivors who had built a fortification on the beach with six cannon salvaged from the wrecked La Trinité.
NOAA Ocean Explorer: Search for the Lost French Fleet of 1565: Background: Historical Background Part II: The Loss of the French Fleet and the End of French Florida
So, bottom line, out of the 7 vessels, 2 survived?
According to this account, the Trinite was salvaged by the French survivors to build a fort, and then the fort captured by the Spanish? Is this why the the manifest does not match, the Trinite has been salvaged to build the fort?
I know if I was a survivor, pretty sure what I would have done with a massive stone column on the ship.
From an historical account, I am curious on this account, as the number of ships wrecked is sometimes all of them, or 4 of them wrecked with 3 scuttled, and yet 2 remain to return to France:
Upon his release from prison in 1564, sea captain Jean Ribault was commissioned to lead the relief mission to Florida. Ribault’s fleet consisted of seven ships loaded with armament and munitions, supplies, livestock, 500 soldiers, and as many as 500 more seamen and colonists.
Ribault’s plan almost worked. His fleet surprised the Spanish and almost captured Menéndez, who barely managed to make it across the sandbar. Ribault’s ships were too large to follow at low tide, but instead sailed south to search for San Pelayo, which had departed only hours before.
It was the following day that the fateful storm struck. Either a nor’easter or a true hurricane, the powerful winds drove Ribault’s fleet further south. Despite frantic attempts to claw their way to deeper waters, all the ships were run aground and shipwrecked. Three of the ships were lost in the vicinity of Ponce Inlet, broken to pieces in the surf, while the flagship La Trinité was stranded intact on a sandbar five to ten leagues further south, towards Cape Canaveral.
After an abortive parley attempt from on board one of Ribault’s smaller vessels (Perle) anchored off the fort, the French sailed in their five remaining vessels downriver to the safety of the river mouth. After consolidating their scattered survivors, a decision was made between Laudonnière and Ribault’s son, Jacques.
On 25 September the three smaller vessels were scuttled, and the two remaining ships of Ribault’s fleet, Perle and Levrière, sailed for France.
The final act came on 1 November, when Menéndez led an expedition south to locate the final French survivors who had built a fortification on the beach with six cannon salvaged from the wrecked La Trinité.
NOAA Ocean Explorer: Search for the Lost French Fleet of 1565: Background: Historical Background Part II: The Loss of the French Fleet and the End of French Florida
So, bottom line, out of the 7 vessels, 2 survived?
According to this account, the Trinite was salvaged by the French survivors to build a fort, and then the fort captured by the Spanish? Is this why the the manifest does not match, the Trinite has been salvaged to build the fort?
I know if I was a survivor, pretty sure what I would have done with a massive stone column on the ship.
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Black Duck
Sr. Member
Jumped the gun
Yes, this is public information,France nor the state of Florida have proof of what they are claiming, so they are stalling, you cannot prove something that is not true.
The state of Florida chose to ignore the facts that GME presented to them. Then they make a deal with France to call it the Trinity with no proof what so ever so GME would not be compensated.
These are the facts, recorded, documented and backed up with research and reference already submitted to the state of Florida for the 4th time.
GME surveyed the entire Permit area and turned in the report, then we did our identification phase of the project per our contract and turned in the report as we had done 13 times before.
The next step was to continue our underwater surveys, further document-record-recover and further research what we had found.
But to do this we had to move into recovery contract.
This is when we started to have problems, until we asked for recovery everything was fine, never one complaint, not even one time.
So how is it we can do 14 permits with in 2 years and never have a complaint and in fact be told by the Sec. of State that the state of Florida wants to partner with GME to continue the great job we have done. I personally spoke with the Sec. of state and he told me these exact words. While he was also communicating with France to take site away from us. Just calling it like I see it.
Maybe he was misinformed by the people under him whom do not want treasure hunters working anywhere. Again fact and we have proof that people in the State of Florida are conspiring against treasure hunters.
Thanks for giving me the chance to present the truth again.
Yes, this is public information,France nor the state of Florida have proof of what they are claiming, so they are stalling, you cannot prove something that is not true.
The state of Florida chose to ignore the facts that GME presented to them. Then they make a deal with France to call it the Trinity with no proof what so ever so GME would not be compensated.
These are the facts, recorded, documented and backed up with research and reference already submitted to the state of Florida for the 4th time.
GME surveyed the entire Permit area and turned in the report, then we did our identification phase of the project per our contract and turned in the report as we had done 13 times before.
The next step was to continue our underwater surveys, further document-record-recover and further research what we had found.
But to do this we had to move into recovery contract.
This is when we started to have problems, until we asked for recovery everything was fine, never one complaint, not even one time.
So how is it we can do 14 permits with in 2 years and never have a complaint and in fact be told by the Sec. of State that the state of Florida wants to partner with GME to continue the great job we have done. I personally spoke with the Sec. of state and he told me these exact words. While he was also communicating with France to take site away from us. Just calling it like I see it.
Maybe he was misinformed by the people under him whom do not want treasure hunters working anywhere. Again fact and we have proof that people in the State of Florida are conspiring against treasure hunters.
Thanks for giving me the chance to present the truth again.
Black Duck
Sr. Member
Jumped the gun
Yes, this is public information,France nor the state of Florida have proof of what they are claiming, so they are stalling, you cannot prove something that is not true.
The state of Florida chose to ignore the facts that GME presented to them. Then they make a deal with France to call it the Trinity with no proof what so ever so GME would not be compensated.
These are the facts, recorded, documented and backed up with research and reference already submitted to the state of Florida for the 4th time.
GME surveyed the entire Permit area and turned in the report, then we did our identification phase of the project per our contract and turned in the report as we had done 13 times before.
The next step was to continue our underwater surveys, further document-record-recover and further research what we had found.
But to do this we had to move into recovery contract.
This is when we started to have problems, until we asked for recovery everything was fine, never one complaint, not even one time.
So how is it we can do 14 permits with in 2 years and never have a complaint and in fact be told by the Sec. of State that the state of Florida wants to partner with GME to continue the great job we have done. I personally spoke with the Sec. of state and he told me these exact words. While he was also communicating with France to take site away from us. Just calling it like I see it.
Maybe he was misinformed by the people under him whom do not want treasure hunters working anywhere. Again fact and we have proof that people in the State of Florida are conspiring against treasure hunters.
Thanks for giving me the chance to present the truth again.
Yes, this is public information,France nor the state of Florida have proof of what they are claiming, so they are stalling, you cannot prove something that is not true.
The state of Florida chose to ignore the facts that GME presented to them. Then they make a deal with France to call it the Trinity with no proof what so ever so GME would not be compensated.
These are the facts, recorded, documented and backed up with research and reference already submitted to the state of Florida for the 4th time.
GME surveyed the entire Permit area and turned in the report, then we did our identification phase of the project per our contract and turned in the report as we had done 13 times before.
The next step was to continue our underwater surveys, further document-record-recover and further research what we had found.
But to do this we had to move into recovery contract.
This is when we started to have problems, until we asked for recovery everything was fine, never one complaint, not even one time.
So how is it we can do 14 permits with in 2 years and never have a complaint and in fact be told by the Sec. of State that the state of Florida wants to partner with GME to continue the great job we have done. I personally spoke with the Sec. of state and he told me these exact words. While he was also communicating with France to take site away from us. Just calling it like I see it.
Maybe he was misinformed by the people under him whom do not want treasure hunters working anywhere. Again fact and we have proof that people in the State of Florida are conspiring against treasure hunters.
Thanks for giving me the chance to present the truth again.
Black Duck
Sr. Member
eyemustdigtreasure
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...and/or France and Spain might want their cannons back - so, the finders get stuck in court, rather than having fun in the water...!
Document:75
Sep 26, 2017
MOTION to Dismiss All Plaintiff's Claims by Republic of France.
(Attachments: # 1 ExhibitDeclaration of Marie-Laurence Navarri, # 2ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 3 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 4 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 5ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 6 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 7 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 8ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 9 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 10 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 11 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 12 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 13 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 14 ExhibitDeclaration of Sylvie Leluc, # 15 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 16 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 17 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 18 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 19 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 20 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 21 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 22 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 23 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 24 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 25ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, #
Sep 26, 2017
MOTION to Dismiss All Plaintiff's Claims by Republic of France.
(Attachments: # 1 ExhibitDeclaration of Marie-Laurence Navarri, # 2ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 3 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 4 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 5ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 6 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 7 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 8ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 9 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 10 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 11 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 12 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 13 ExhibitDeclaration of Frank Lestringant, # 14 ExhibitDeclaration of Sylvie Leluc, # 15 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 16 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 17 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 18 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 19 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 20 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 21 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 22 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 23 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 24 ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, # 25ExhibitDeclaration of James P. Delgado, #
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Lots of horsepower in those exhibits.
Sylvie Leluc: Curator and conservator for the French Museum of the Army.
Frank Lestringant: Noted historian on French history of the Americas
James Delgado...well, you all know Delgado.
Sylvie Leluc: Curator and conservator for the French Museum of the Army.
Frank Lestringant: Noted historian on French history of the Americas
James Delgado...well, you all know Delgado.
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There are no links. Those are exhibits filed with the Court. You have to have PACER to pay for and download the exhibits.
The PACER docket is provided to see the number of exhibits presented and by whom in the Motion to Dismiss.
The PACER docket is provided to see the number of exhibits presented and by whom in the Motion to Dismiss.
Black Duck
Sr. Member
Incorrect
Correct research and credibility is key here.
The three people named above should retract there statements, a professional letter of opinion is based on facts, all the facts, there are two problems with all there statements, they have left out facts from the references they use.( facts that prove it is not the Trinity) so they are either lying or incompetent either way there statements will not be able to be used.
Their credibility is on the line here.
This is all I will say at this time ( details will be presented later in the case)
God bless America for pulling out of that corrupt UNESCO.
Correct research and credibility is key here.
The three people named above should retract there statements, a professional letter of opinion is based on facts, all the facts, there are two problems with all there statements, they have left out facts from the references they use.( facts that prove it is not the Trinity) so they are either lying or incompetent either way there statements will not be able to be used.
Their credibility is on the line here.
This is all I will say at this time ( details will be presented later in the case)
God bless America for pulling out of that corrupt UNESCO.
October 26, 2017
Global Marine Exploration, Inc. v. The Unidentified, Wrecked and (for Finders-Right Purposes) Abandoned Sailing Vessel
*Order no pdf
ENDORSED ORDER permitting the depositions scheduled for October 31, 2017 to proceed. The Court will enter an order on the request for extension of deadlines 76 by separate order. Signed by Magistrate Judge Karla R. Spaulding on 10/26/2017. (Spaulding, Karla)
Global Marine Exploration, Inc. v. The Unidentified, Wrecked and (for Finders-Right Purposes) Abandoned Sailing Vessel
*Order no pdf
ENDORSED ORDER permitting the depositions scheduled for October 31, 2017 to proceed. The Court will enter an order on the request for extension of deadlines 76 by separate order. Signed by Magistrate Judge Karla R. Spaulding on 10/26/2017. (Spaulding, Karla)
huntsman53
Gold Member
Can we please stop beating the dead horse??!!
