pottery plummet..may hint at use.

GatorBoy · Oct 16, 2012

I have heard of a couple of these... only a couple. I was lucky enough to find 1 of them. With all the debate and questions about the use of plummets I thought this was worth sharing. since most are made of stone or shell they are limited in the types of use that would be visible on their surface. I believe this rare artifact may be showing some information very rarely seen. I inhanced one of the photos to bring out small wear patterns that do not appear to be intentional. they look to me like cloth or cord impressions. Have a look..

tomclark · Oct 18, 2012

Those weren't mine, waaaaah. Reference pic. Mound taken/gone many years ago.

Jones Mound, Hillsborough Co, FL

Thomas Mound, Hillsburg Co, FL

newnan man · Oct 18, 2012

Cool pics Tom. That big face pottery piece reminds me of my ex! Duck plummet too. The loom thing is sounding better. Like Gator said, looms more often were permanent. I read somewhere that the looms at the Windover site could have been in use for over 2 thousand years and were quite large.

GatorBoy · Oct 18, 2012

Good stuff!! FIND THAT PLUMMET Tom.. they are very rare here. I'm glad you added to this thread.

NC field hunter · Oct 18, 2012

The pieces that Tom posted are obviously effigy pieces. Perhaps they were religious ornaments. Just like a brass cross in a church. If that is the case, this will never be concluded. I can see effigies of animals, and human reproduction on Tom's pics. Both are things that polytheistic people would worship. These things pop up at mounds, near water, and in old campsites. No rhyme or reason to their whereabouts. Some things were just not supposed to be known.

unclemac · Oct 18, 2012

Have you ever heard of a plummit being found in Association With a fish hook?

yes....They have been found on village sites located near large bodies of water and they have been found in burials that also contained fishhooks made of shell and copper...

GatorBoy · Oct 18, 2012

Come on...not supposed to be known

? That's rubbish!! The Native American culture as a whole.. was deeply into using symbolism on a huge variety of objects that were a part of their daily life. they were for the most part a very spiritual people. Just because something was made to symbolize one of natures living gifts does not make it cerimonial in any way more than a fish bumper sticker next to the letters W.W.J.D. on a car. Does that make it a ceremonial car?

unclemac · Oct 18, 2012

Just google loom weight artifact images and it will look like you're looking at a bunch of plummets and gorgets.

ok....now try and google "fishing weight" and see what you get...

GatorBoy · Oct 18, 2012

unclemac said:
Have you ever heard of a plummit being found in Association With a fish hook?

yes....They have been found on village sites located near large bodies of water and they have been found in burials that also contained fishhooks made of shell and copper...

So have hundreds of other objects. been found on those same sites. I'm talking about direct association ... I tell you what... you can use yours to fish with if you want. I'm pretty sure they didn't.

GatorBoy · Oct 18, 2012

I have to tell you.. Unclemack. The evidence is not on your side. You're starting to sound a little ridiculous.

unclemac · Oct 18, 2012

...i haven't seen all that much woven materials outside of the Southwest area and some NW coast dog hair/mountain goat blankets...and plummets are not associated with either of those traditions....

GatorBoy · Oct 18, 2012

Do you honestly believe Someone was fishing with this..

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GatorBoy · Oct 18, 2012

They are heavily associater here.

GatorBoy · Oct 18, 2012

unclemac said:
...i haven't seen all that much woven materials outside of the Southwest area and some NW coast dog hair/mountain goat blankets...and plummets are not associated with either of those traditions....

You need to research more ... so..... what did thier loom weights look like?? Post some photos of those instead of lead weights from someone's tackle box.

GatorBoy · Oct 18, 2012

Here is a piece from the very same site I found the..."plummet"

Pretty "neat huh?"

unclemac · Oct 18, 2012

GatorBoy said:
Here is a piece from the very same site I found the..."plummet"

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sweet...can you tell if it is fiber or wool?...I have found fiber woven pieces in the Plateau area before but not any kind of "hair"

this is the only image i can find of a Navajo loom with a weight...

GatorBoy · Oct 18, 2012

My piece is palm fiber.

NC field hunter · Oct 18, 2012

GatorBoy said:
Come on...not supposed to be known? That's rubbish!! The Native American culture as a whole.. was deeply into using symbolism on a huge variety of objects that were a part of their daily life. they were for the most part a very spiritual people. Just because something was made to symbolize one of natures living gifts does not make it cerimonial in any way more than a fish bumper sticker next to the letters W.W.J.D. on a car. Does that make it a ceremonial car?

You are right, it is rubbish to not even try to understand. However, no need to get upset when no answer is given in the end. One of the fun ones. Every one will probably leave this thread thinking as they did entering it. Uncle thinks fishing tackle, you think weaving tool. Neither will change opinions probably. All I'm saying is both of you have tit for tat theories. You know how it is . The car, yes turned into a quasi ceremony .Kinda like a banner for the circus. Invitation to the ceremony .

GatorBoy · Oct 18, 2012

The artifacts that I am showing in this thread are from an archaic site..with projectile points from middle and late. I'm not sure we are in the same period of history when comparing your Navaho photo of a loom.

GatorBoy · Oct 18, 2012

NC field hunter said:
You are right, it is rubbish to not even try to understand. However, no need to get upset when no answer is given in the end. One of the fun ones. Every one will probably leave this thread thinking as they did entering it. Uncle thinks fishing tackle, you think weaving tool. Neither will change opinions probably. All I'm saying is both of you have tit for tat theories. You know how it is . The car, yes turned into a quasi ceremony .Kinda like a banner for the circus. Invitation to the ceremony .

I'm sorry if you belive yourself and others learn nothing from these exchanges..but please speak for yourself! Definitely not me.