pottery plummet..may hint at use.

[GatorBoy]

I have heard of a couple of these... only a couple. I was lucky enough to find 1 of them. With all the debate and questions about the use of plummets I thought this was worth sharing. since most are made of stone or shell they are limited in the types of use that would be visible on their surface. I believe this rare artifact may be showing some information very rarely seen. I inhanced one of the photos to bring out small wear patterns that do not appear to be intentional. they look to me like cloth or cord impressions. Have a look..

 

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[GatorBoy]

There...to me anyway..is alot more reason to belive they are not fishing sinkers than there is reason to belive they did not spin thread. And frankly more evidence by far to support thread spinning. Just using the one I pictured... do you belive this little tit could hold fishing cord while slinging into the water..then take the weight and abuse a thrashing fish would give it? There is zero question to that answer.

 

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[unclemac]

they are found in lake bottoms on the west coast...you do a lot of weaving on the lake?

 

[GatorBoy]

 

[GatorBoy]

Now your just grasping at straws.. I rest my case. I'm sure they find projectile points there too.. does that mean they were really Spears? I recently found a clay pipe in the water.. does that mean they were smoking under water?? Awesome!!! They had waterproof tobacco... I need to get me some of that!!

 

[unclemac]

http://www.scahome.org/publications/proceedings/Proceedings.13Sharp.pdf

the most common explanation was that they were used as fishing sinkers (Blake 1872; Abbott 1879; Rau 1884).

 

[NC field hunter]

I'm sorry if you belive yourself and others learn nothing from these exchanges..but please speak for yourself! Definitely not me.

Aahh come on now!!!

 

[GatorBoy]

Interesting topic, I have a plummet from florida made of stone of some sort with a fish head carved on it! Why a fish head you may ask if not related to fishing, I don't have an awnser.

still waiting to see

 

[unclemac]

 

[GatorBoy]

http://www.scahome.org/publications/proceedings/Proceedings.13Sharp.pdf

the most common explanation was that they were used as fishing sinkers (Blake 1872; Abbott 1879; Rau 1884).

YOU MUST NOT HAVE READ THE WHOLE THING....I DID..... the most recent info in that was from 1984 and was taken from an account from 1929. they talked about charmstones and ended with a statement that was basicaly .... '' I DONT KNOW" that in no way helped your failing case. I should worn you I was a lawyer in another life..... but IF YOU WANT... go ahead...your turn..... ho hum..... hahaha.... that thing is just stupid.... did you draw that I want to see one of those for real.... come on lets get out of fantasy

 

[unclemac]

...still...i have posted a lot more backing up my case than someone else in the room....bah....

go look at my lap stone post...you have any familiarity with those?

 

[unclemac]

yep...but what it didn't say is anything about looms....

 

[rock]

Oh discussions and theory dont you just love it? I still dont know.

 

[GatorBoy]

I guess we must have more info to better analyze what facts are available and a better understanding of the artifacts these days..don't you think Hoooray for archaeological progress!!!

 

[unclemac]

..you know...let me say this...I have friends that are archeologists and I really respect them, I read their books and I value their opinions. That being said, I have a hard time with the word "looter". I have a hard time believing that because you have a degree and are associated with a university or organization you have exclusive right to pick up a projectile point off of public land. I know all the arguments so don't lecture me, I Know that my local University has a world class collection of artifacts that the public will never see, never hold, never get a glance at...all in drawers and cupboards for the "experts" to study.

 

[Tnmountains]

sinker technology

 

[GatorBoy]

So what are you saying... if I made a YouTube video You would belive ME OK.. just watched.. not much info at all there. He only suggested he believed they were hung vertically with alot less evidence than this thread supporting his view. Actually zero.

 

[GatorBoy]

So you belive the beautifuly polished decrative hardstone pieces were slung into the water to fish with...huh... that isn't logical. What about my pottery one? What about these..? Who would go through all that work to make something to sling into the water when all that was needed was pebble.

 

[newnan man]

That pic from the Bronson museum is pretty far fetched. If your going to wrap a stone with cord why go to the trouble to shape it. Just wrap a rock and go. Poor looking setup to anyone who fishes. Interesting thread though.

 

[GatorBoy]

..you know...let me say this...I have friends that are archeologists and I really respect them, I read their books and I value their opinions. That being said, I have a hard time with the word "looter". I have a hard time believing that because you have a degree and are associated with a university or organization you have exclusive right to pick up a projectile point off of public land. I know all the arguments so don't lecture me, I Know that my local University has a world class collection of artifacts that the public will never see, never hold, never get a glance at...all in drawers and cupboards for the "experts" to study.

I whole heartedly agree with you there. Isolated finds on public land by all means belong to the public. But I do believe there are a lot of people out there who earn the title Looter. The Internet Is filled with people Trying to make a buck. That's where the problem began... money.... there are plenty of people who have very little if any regard or respect for the history and the people connected to these artifacts. Dig holes in a burial site.. where are the best stuff is in the middle of the night.. sell it on the internet for a handy profit..... makes me want to puke!

 

[unclemac]

true looters are just that...looters. But I have seen that word used in news articles about guys who pick up an arrowhead in the woods after a forest fire... that is what i'm talking about.