RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 06/30/2009

[Springfield]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 09/12/2008

Nice duck.

 

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[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 09/12/2008

Another day I went out and decided to look for carvings. I've not had much luck at that. Most everything looks like natural fissures or erosion.

It is more fun just following one pointer to another right now and just admiring the artistry and starting to recognize commonalities, such as "tombstones" being used to direct your attention to something.

Still, I keep my eye out for a carving.

For example, I decided to take a closer look at this rock pile. Perhaps that is a cross..and it is not too far from a solid interesting marker.



Lets take a closer look. Cross is looking natural to me, but I get a general sense it might be worthwhile focusing toward the center of the rock pile or follow line of site of those things on the upper left.




The cross still looks natural. Probable natural banding and fissure.



The little turtle pointers are inconclusive. Maybe yes, maybe no. (Secretly of course I think yes yes yes! hehe)

The shapes are familiar, the long narrow one seems to have an eye carved out. But they point in different directions and the cross looks natural.



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[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 09/12/2008

Follow the imaginary lines and there seems nothing of interest except this. And this (in the red square) seems natural Although suspiciously circular, it just seems rather shallow. Circular depressions like this are mighty scarce at this site.
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The conclusion is something might be going on and it will be worth an reexamination when one has further knowledge,but for now, classified as mostly or all natural. Thats the way it goes, but that is perfectly fine! Its a lovely day, no mountain lion tracks about, no rattlesnakes, so what could be better Markers and monuments are what i am interested in.

This next..well i am not sure. Kind of unusual for the site.What do you think?






Here's one of those tombstones i mentioned. Flat rocks rounded at one end, usually propped up at an angle on another boulder, or propped upright like this one. They are actually eye catchers as far as i can figure out.

This area caught my eye because of the tombstone and because of the potential carvings on near the by rock. Close examination - the carvings look natural to me.



One of many many highly likely natural cross formations.



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[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 09/12/2008

Back to pointers!

This looked unusual to me. This is in front of a solid larger pointer that is not shown. In case you miss the point, help is provided.

You look in the general direction the pointer is pointing and see a definite little gateway of sorts, drawing your eye in the direction of the arrow between those two little formations.

The one on the left looks to me to have some man made carving on it. I just love it - not sure what it is suppose to be.





Thats it for now. Hope you found it enjoyable, worth a laugh or educational!

 

[Old Dog]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 09/20/2008

Moons,

This particular cross may not as you say be natural.
A natural crack is sometime the easiest to enhance to achieve the sign.
I have seen it many times.

This particular cross is called the "Cross of Lorraine"
the direction is indicated by the bent arm of this cross,
the longest side is the direction to go.

 

[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 09/20/2008

Well the slim face site just nags at me. I took a close look climbing to the right and on top of it. Nothing definite...but a surprise and a possible carving.

Here it is..I think it is man made for several reasons. The six sided rock and the maybe pointers pointing to it as seen in earlier posts are suggestive. And the context of it.


I poked my nose and my camera into nooks and crannies. Here is one interesting cranny.



Climbing the right side of it. Same duck with slim face hiding in the leg.



Things that catch my eye for any reason, I take a picture. These are various views from side back or top into the rockpile.







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[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 09/20/2008

Am on top now. This looks like a potential carving to me. Sort of jagged like..well..teeth or something. Also it does not continue on rocks on either side. It just seems out of place.



The ground is rotten on the right side of gully/rocks. This is a pic looking down. You can see the back one of the big pointers resting on some rocks..and you can see holes in the ground.


I went down and poked my camera in one.


Not much of interest except the hints of a growing curiosity to go cave exploring, to wonder what mysteries happen under ground. What secrets are there, what hidden worlds are so close under our feet but never seen by us.

This pic is what happened when i poked my camera into the lower area in above pic.


Yikes! Glad i did not stick my nose in that hole - would have died of fright on first glance.


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[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 09/20/2008

Well stepping back..way back ..I noticed that at a likely resting point that I always stop at for a drink of water and a break, there was something interesting. I've walked by this a half dozen times and did not "see" it till recently. But it sure stands out once you do notice it.


Looks likes a guide rock or viewing rock. I've painted in one possible angle of viewing but will have to get right up to it and shoot to see what it really is suppose to do.



This next I've started to wonder about. I've seen divided rocks - well thats natural given earth movement and all. But sometimes they seem a little odd given the terrain. This one could be considered lined up if it were man made. For now it is natural in my book.


But the future I'm going to keep my eyes open for patterns like this, and see if it leads to anything. Maybe sometime I will take a reading off the points of the six sided rock to see if it works. But the big rock behind it will likely hide the view. Time will tell.


Looking through many pics it looks like time and again a few things catch my eye..sometimes for reasons unknown, sometimes more apparent.

You've seen some of them. Here is another. Why this one? Not sure. Like a far away siren song, it has crept into my pysche, its eerie emanation weaving its tendrils into a gentle tug toward it.

Come to me..come to me...softly dampening out the call of all the many metaphorical mermaids and seagulls (and not so metaphorical other birds, frogs, pigs, turtles,snakes, dogs and other assorted menagerie) on this rocky shore.







Errr...Clearly it is time for me to wisp away to the soft zephyrs and peaceful repose of my bower.

In due time shall the other denizens of this rocky land be revealed.

 

[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 09/20/2008

Hey thanks stilldiggin.

I will give it due consideration.

Frankly i am having fun just getting the lay of the land so to speak and starting to categorize things and discover things speculate, and be proven wrong or right as i explore.


Only a very very few things I am sure of. Everything else is not determined. Its okay.. I'm having fun doing my thing. That is plenty of reward for me.

Recommend this to anyone who has a bit of interest in history and the outdoors and likes to solve puzzles.

DM

 

[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 09/20/2008

After noticing the guide rock at the slim site, I looked around for more. In another area I noticed a slight rise that looked interesting.

I could see two possible guide rocks. Went up and took a look. There were actually 4 or 5 possible guide rocks. I will not show them all.



The pointy rock seemed rather solid. Possibly the black rock is to help you aim and maybe that upward diagonal line on that other rock. Anyway, I used it them that way. Took a look....



Behind the bushes it was pointing to this formation.



A different guide rock was aiming at this.


The other potential guide rocks pointed elsewhere. After spending a while peering this way and that... I decided on this guide rock to start with.


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[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 10/03/2008

Took a look through the cleft.




Seemed to aim at this...



Took a stroll..toward the pointer. After a bit ran across this... Note the rock in front of it..something interesting on that.






Well..here it is. I guess it might be called a drill hole. 4 inches wide and 24 inches deep. It is vertical. The picture is misleading. The inner bore of it is rather smooth so that aspect and how darn big it is, makes me think it is modern.

I continued on..and found some interesting things. Mainly a likely defensive fortification or look out. I'll show that later.

Comments welcome as always.

 

[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 10/03/2008

yikes... how do you do that? I've got a lot to learn. Will file that away give it a try sometime and see what happens. Thanks
DM

 

[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 10/03/2008

Remember that monument with the drill hole on the rock in front of it? Meant to show you another view of it. It is getting to be one of my favorites. Looks like a dragon or water serpent to me. I'm guessing a water sign though it could be having something to do with a sword and knight and..well so forth.



I decided to check out the other side of the ridge for a trail. On my way I noticed this. Well kind of pretty and unusual but probably natural..



Then I noticed this right nearby...hmmmm...



Moving around the ridge. trails signs dropped off drastically. No more fancy monuments mostly small trail signs. It just seemed more utilitarian. Not to say there was nothing..it was just different. As if the other side was for show and company and this side for the plebians. Like getting out the good china for guests.

Still, there were a few things.

This I thought at first, a dragon, then a snake. But after a while I concluded most likely a water sign. Why? The head has ridges on it which might represent gills. The stubby fingered hand maybe "Hey stop and pay attention" or maybe a descendant of an Aztec water symbol or perhaps some kind of water plant... That is if it is hand...no idea really. This formation also makes a nice look out or rampart which is not shown in this pic.


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[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 10/03/2008

Saw some things that look like carvings to me...but probably not to anyone else. There would be good reason for a troop to be stationed here. I was looking for things that might support that idea.



This one - maybe a rock or two is out of place - that can happen after a few hundred years..or perhaps it is just natural.


I was rather happy to actually see this. Did not have to discover it through pictures. Parts of it seem carved.



Ummm... another one gone off the deep end eh? It is hard to see. But it is the second man figure with a lance or flag or battle axe I've found. The figure may be carrying a shield on the left..hard to make out what is going on on his left side. This may help a bit. It stands out when you see it. But..well, it could be my imagination.




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[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 10/03/2008

Came upon a group of rocks (what a surprise eh? ) and it had a flat slab in front of it that looked like a guide rock.

The arrow pointed rock is FLAT on this side, though the pic does not do it justice.



From the other side it is naturally shaped. Clearly this thin slab was cleaved off, turned around and placed in front of the other rocks. It was cleaved off one of the two rocks on the left.





Both the left side rocks have a flat side and both have a groove or cleavage line on them that goes about half way across the rock. This is something to keep an eye out for. In fact I scurried over to the other side of the ridge before the sun set to another very large rock I thought might have been cleaved off. And yes it had the same kind of groove in it.



Thats all for now. Comments of all sorts welcome.

 

[racknroll]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 10/12/2008

first lemme say i don't know crap about treasure signs....however, something really jumped out at me in post 79 2nd pic.....a perfect heart on the left, under what looks like a choya cactus, the other is right next to it with a split down the middle. the furthest left hand one seems to have a carving dunno if natural or manmade in the middle that looks like a line straight down with two smaller lines off of it. then if you look at your last pic on that post....the rock on the right hand side appears to have a similar carving on it....in that rock it looks like a bow you shoot arrows from....

jmho

 

[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 10/12/2008

Hey thanks rock! No worries i don't know squat either, just trying to figure things out without too many pre-concieved notions from books.

I'll admit my eyes popped when i saw those hearts. A double trail is what i thought, with one trail leading to something dangerous maybe. The line you noticed with lines going off on an angle would work for a trail ..but thing is there are so many trails - hard to find one and stick to it.

I will have to go back and look at some other things i thought of as bird feathers and see what they are.


Like this...Possibly along the right hand heart trail you see this. I think it might be a shadow sign. if i could get out there early enough I think the front of it would throw an interesting shadow - the whole thing would look different. But from another angle..well you can see the tail feathers but maybe they are not....feathers.






Then much longer along that trail is this lonesome turtle on a ridge end.

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Here is its nose


Heres another view... well the head also has a different shape - maybe heart shaped ..not sure. And on the back of the turtle there may be a whole carved out heart. I did not get the right light angle to show that but I think it is there. A depression that is heart shaped. Will have to figure out a different way photograph it.



So yes...you got a good possiblity there. Its fun to speculate anyway And that last pic you reffered to is on the same trail too.

Don't forget to look in your own backyard rock - outlaws and spanish were all over - west of the mississippi at least.

 

[racknroll]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 10/12/2008

DM: heres what i see in your pic

by the first arrow, i see a little horse head in there...looking forward...(but then in your close up i don't see it as well), the second arrow looks like a turtle nose pointing up to me. the third arrow looks like an E and a backwards Z or maybe a 2, then the third arrow looks like a carved arrow pointing the same direction as the turtle nose.

in your last pic i see a duck head/beak with a heart next to it

HECK upon edit between the first and second arrow i see another duck head/beak

 

[racknroll]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 10/12/2008

Don't forget to look in your own backyard rock - outlaws and spanish were all over - west of the mississippi at least.

heck i'm in ks....nothing but private owned milo and wheat fields around here.... :P

 

[desertmoons]

Re: RattleSnake Hill - speculation welcome, new pics 10/12/2008

Thanks for the feed back rack - some of those signs seem to disappear when you get up close. I've not made any conclusion on that rock formation. Something to ponder over winter.

One day I noticed a white speck on the hill side. It stood out. Well there are a few modern markings around made with white paint, but I decided to check it out. I saw it from much further away but the white thing does not stand out in the further away pics.

Thought it might be an eye catcher. One arrow points to the white thing I saw. The lower arrow points to what I am starting to think of as a water marker, but it has not been verified. The water marker points up a trail over a rise to a trail split.

One or two other things might stand out as unusual in this pic. But I wonder if anyone else notices them.



After a bit of hike, the quarry was in sight....




And here it is.







Up close it looks like come sort of calcium deposit on it. In the immediate area there are no other rocks like that. But there is an outcropping of such rocks about 1/2-3/4 mile away.

At first I thought maybe caliche plaster,.but after thinking about it and running across that other outcropping, the white layer looks natural to me. The way it is edged..well I just don't know.


So perhaps it is an eye catcher. I looked around. Per usual there there were a lot of things to draw your attention near and far. This one stood out to me. It faces the eye catcher from some distance away.






I doubt I would have ever noticed the eye catcher if Old Dog had not posted a few examples in his thread. Thanks Thom and thanks to everybody who posts pictures!