REVOLUTIONARY WAR BUCKLE? and the biggest petal bell.

[Vino]

Went hunting with PA SLUETH THIS afternoon. Was at a place that had alot of history.
Only 2 good targets for me the one is this buckle. What I believe is a rev war sling buckle.
And the other is this huge petal bell.
What till you see what the SLUETH found!!!!! Unbelievable.
Thanks for looking.
George

 

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[Vino]

The metal type, construction & tooling look 18th C to me, but not sure how you would connect it to the Military other than its unusually large. So I would be 80% happy to say Rev War Buckle. Nice find either way.

Thanks Cru,
I had a question mark after rev war..lol You never no. But it was found at a farm estate, that had a in campment at.. But who know, with this type of buckle. It will look good in my collection any way..but I certainly will take the 80% from you..haha

 

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[Vino]

Great looking late 18th century buckle George, certainly could be Rev War given Bill's reference material.

Thanks Jon,
You never know..

 

[beez0404]

Perhaps no quantity, but you two certainly found quality items. Congrats on another very nice early find.

 

[Vino]

Perhaps no quantity, but you two certainly found quality items. Congrats on another very nice early find.

Thanks Jay.
Now post your finds!!!

 

[Steve in PA]

Nice find George. That buckle definitely looks military and could date anywhere from the French & Indian War to the War of 1812 in my opinion. But with all the Rev War activity in your area, it is most likely from that period.

 

[Iron Patch]

Great looking late 18th century buckle George, certainly could be Rev War given Bill's reference material.

When an item is not marked, and the site doesn't provide enough context to suggest it's a Rev War relic (and the vast majority do not) ... you have to qualify the term "Rev War" with either "period" or "era" following it. People use Rev War pretty loosely and I don't think it's a big deal, but there's always confusion because there's a big difference between what's accepted as an actual Rev War relic vs what is a period item from that time frame. It's very similar to every miniball or enfield bullet being called a Civil War bullet... and yes, thousands upon thousands are/were, but it's not like people didn't use a rifle before and after the war for various other reasons leaving bullets everywhere. I also think it's just the nature of this hobby to want to always believe a find is better or a little more significant than what it is, but that's probbaly not a bad thing because it means you have passion!

 

[cjon455]

When an item is not marked, and the site doesn't provide enough context to suggest it's a Rev War relic (and the vast majority do not) ... you have to qualify the term "Rev War" with either "period" or "era" following it. People use Rev War pretty loosely and I don't think it's a big deal, but there's always confusion because there's a big difference between what's accepted as an actual Rev War relic vs what is a period item from that time frame. It's very similar to every miniball or enfield bullet being called a Civil War bullet... and yes, thousands upon thousands are/were, but it's not like people didn't use a rifle before and after the way for various other reasons leaving bullets everywhere. I also think it's just the nature of this hobby to want to always believe a find is better or a little more significant than what it is, but that's probbaly not a bad thing because it means you have passion!

seeing as how he put a question mark at the end of his post title, that says to me hes asking a question, seeking clarification as to if it is a rev war buckle, the others gave feeback/information and they all said it seemed like it could be, or maybe it is, perhaps, etc. I don't think anyone was saying without a doubt that this was for sure a rev war find, however bill's book info provided pretty good evidence it just may be.

 

[Iron Patch]

seeing as how he put a question mark at the end of his post title, that says to me hes asking a question, seeking clarification as to if it is a rev war buckle, the others gave feeback/information and they all said it seemed like it could be, or maybe it is, perhaps, etc. I don't think anyone was saying without a doubt that this was for sure a rev war find, however bill's book info provided pretty good evidence it just may be.

And I thought my post was giving some clarification.

If you had that book, which I do, you would see it does have marked items which are clearly Rev War, but is also filled with every day things. So if it is the standard how we decide what is a Rev War relic, then every 18th century pot, scissors, thimbles etc. etc. etc. that is dug is a Rev War relic. Again, people use the term loosely and it creates confusion when you are talking about items that you know without question were used in the war, which are generally the marked ones, and items that just date around the period... and of course there is some cross-over because it's not like the military were issued marked regimental spoons... although that would make for a pretty cool find!

 

[Vino]

When an item is not marked, and the site doesn't provide enough context to suggest it's a Rev War relic (and the vast majority do not) ... you have to qualify the term "Rev War" with either "period" or "era" following it. People use Rev War pretty loosely and I don't think it's a big deal, but there's always confusion because there's a big difference between what's accepted as an actual Rev War relic vs what is a period item from that time frame. It's very similar to every miniball or enfield bullet being called a Civil War bullet... and yes, thousands upon thousands are/were, but it's not like people didn't use a rifle before and after the war for various other reasons leaving bullets everywhere. I also think it's just the nature of this hobby to want to always believe a find is better or a little more significant than what it is, but that's probbaly not a bad thing because it means you have passion!

Thanks IP, for the Clarification.
I did some more looking on the buckle. How I missed this I have no Idea? Lol

 

[cjon455]

Thanks IP, for the Clarification.
I did some more looking on the buckle. How I missed this I have no Idea? Lol

Seems legit lol

 

[Iron Patch]

Thanks IP, for the Clarification.
I did some more looking on the buckle. How I missed this I have no Idea? Lol

Having GW would most likely make it post war. Better luck next time.

 

[Eagle101]

Great, thanks Bill.
I just ordered that book, 10 mins ago..lol

What book is that??

 

[Vino]

What book is that??

This book.

 

[metalev4]

Nice buckle George. I have admired those types in one of Bill Ds displays for years. Still hoping to walk over one some day. Great find.

 

[Eagle101]

This book.

Thank you. I just bought it.

 

[Whatdayagot]

I think I have its twin

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Just found this a week ago looks identical I know how you felt finding it!!!!!

 

[Whatdayagot]

I may have posted twice but here is a buckle I found a week ago looks similar