Rock Carving

[treasureldy]

I have found an interesting carving that I need to decipher. The carving extends around the perimeter of large boulder. It ends with two arrows pointing straight down. ( I checked under the arrows with my MD...no signal).
Boomer....thank you for your response to my last posting. Evidently most think I am too much a novice to respond....
However my research has led me here ......now to decipher.
Thank you

 

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[treasureldy]

Any ideas?.....

I guess I really am a novice......I meant to add....any leads to help me decipher the carvings would be greatly appreciated. Please be patient with me .....I'm still learning. ops:

 

[cpt_peewee]

Treasure Lady,
Interesting. Check your PM inbox.
PW

 

[boomer]

carving

treasureldy, we are all novices, no matter how long we have been treasure hunting we are always learning something new or asking for advice. Being in the east the meaning is probably different. The outline looks like an arrow with antelope in the middle, the outline looks like it points to the right. The two arrows may mean two days walk or two arrow shots to a spring or water course or salt lick where animals gather. (The arrows pointing down). Once i was at a small cliff and it had been raining the water running down the side had made it easy to see the cuts in the rock face close to the bottom there was an arrow carved it was about 1/2 inch long pointing down. I dug where the arrow was pointing and about 10 inch down i found a cache of arrow heads and a war club head and tools for cutting ( check below ). Look in the direction the arrows are pointing, it may mean to follow a line to another rock, not down. also it could be where a good huntere grave is. The eastern tribes would hid stuff for use at diffrent sites because it was to much to carry from one camp location to the next. look at the outline and then look around to see if the outline matches the area your standing at. happy hunting, boomer

 

[treasureldy]

One professional THer thought the carvings might be Spanish.....and although you can't see it in the picture there is a cross above the shoulder of person carved in the rock.
There are also two large depictions of a person with 3 horizontal lines going thru the body
This carving extends probably a total of 15-20 feet around this boulder. While it may be a map of sorts ...could it be by indians for other indians?
Any referals to reference material would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Natalie

 

[boomer]

rock art

Liked the photo of the hall of fame ceremony. never saw a treasure hunter dressed up. Give my congratulations to your fiance. Rock art is hard to figure the meaning, the art on the stone for some tribes would mean that something happened there, with others it would be a hunting or camp site near. the outline of a man would mean (human life), the cross (paths crossing), the arrows (protection), lines through man, sign of arrows hitting man. If the arrows had been crossed that would mean, we met in frendship. Odd that every carving found as to be ether spanish or kgc. oh well, i think its indian. The site below is vary good, you may need to send them a copy of the photo. boomer

Indian Symbols
American Indian history, culture, art, dance, stories, poems, Indian weddings, news, events. Manataka - a sacred American Indian site. ... The exact meaning of ancient symbols of indigenous people is not possible in many instances. ...
www.manataka.org/page29.html

 

[treasureldy]

Thanks

Thanks for all the great advice guys.......

I'm sorry for the delay in responding ....

I'll try to get better pics and post them later....Thanks again.

 

[Buck]

Indiana Jones

:lol: :lol: from the photo it looks like Indiana Jones don't get mad I just having a bit of fun :lol: I saw the other photo and WOW you are gorgeous Later Buck

 

[treasureldy]

Indiana Jones

My fiance bought me the hat..... I don't have the heart not to wear it.
Thanks for the compliment...

Happy treasurehunting!

 

[Frenchman]

It looks to be of indian origin to me.

Perhaps at least 12 to 15 hundred years old or more. I'm guessing from the many similar ones I have seen in the southwest that would have dated at least back to that time frame. Best wishes and happy hunting, Frenchman

 

[Ocean7]

Arrows pointing down usually mean dig here. Did you try a two box deep detector like Garrett Master Hunter that can go to 6 feet on large objects?
You might want to just dig a hole there to three feet and see if find any traces of the soil/ground having been disturbed. Soil never goes back in the way it comes out. You can sometimes tell by looking at color of soil or sand in a dug hole. Don't discount that whatever was there - could have already been found. Good luck! 8)

 

[Highmountain]

1860s Rock Art

The glyphs in your pic appear to be Native American, post-arrival of the horse north of the Rio Grande (1600 or so)..and probably later than 1700 after horses stolen from the Spaniard settlements made their way across most of the rest of North America.. assuming those animals are horses, which they appear to be. (Sorry, Frenchman.) My gut feel is the horizontal wavy line is probably horizon, though it might be a trail. If that's a human figure (and not just a flaw in the rock face) to the left of the horses, I'd guess you're seeing a hunt in progress... folks trying to get these beasties for food, rather than transportation.

I've never made much sense of most NA rock art, though I've examined a few thousand of them.

The exceptions are rare, but usually spectacular. There's one under a cliff overhang east of Socorro that clearly depicts a running fight between retreating Spaniards after the Revolt of 1680 and maybe the southernmost skirmish with some stragglers. There's one in a canyon bottom south of Zuni that depicts an Indian holding a Spaniard upside-down by the ankles over a cliff preparatory to dropping him.

One located about 60 miles south of Grants, NM, shows several mounted horses, one of which seems to be an NA man with a sort of yoke tied over his shoulders being led by a rope from the man on horseback. That one's on a promontory with a lot of other rock art above a large ruin that was destroyed by fire, probably during the Anasazi Civil War of 1150 or so... a long time predating the arrival of the horse. My thinking is that the drawing is probably a lot later and depicts the excitement the NAs felt over the arrival of Spaniards on horseback and the results they witnessed.

There's a nice one in Frijole Canyon that depicts some poor guy with a broken spear on the working end of a grizzly bear paw swat and two other guys with spears hassling the bear from the sides and behind.

I can't offer any insights into the one you found, except that someone wanted to show some horses. Awfully nice artwork, however... better than a lot I've seen. But most NA rock art depicts bugs, lizards, maybe a supernova that happened to appear in the sky, or a comet, mountain sheep, shaggies, sometimes hunts and a lot of symbols I've never been able to interprete. My impression is they don't have much to do with gold or mineral of any sort.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...in.title/102-6135919-8202548?v=glance&s=books is a fairly decent field guide to rock art of this sort if you're interested in that type of thing. My review of the book tells my own experiences of trying to use it in the field, however. A person really needs a quick and dirty reference for the kind of thing you're doing in the pic, along with this one when you're pondering it later.

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I spent a couple of years trying to figure out some rock carvings I found on a mountain face... it's still a mystery to me. One was a map chiseled on the face of a 350 pound boulder... it was evident enough what it was.. almost an exact overlay of a topo of that channel and two adjacent ones..but I never found what the guy was excited enough to draw a map on a rock 600 feet vertical from anywhere you could see the canyon the way it was depicted on the map. It was one of a dozen or so rock carvings we found on the face.

http://www.jackpurcellbooks.us/pages/book pages/1998 search.htm is some of the pics from the summer 1998 search we made for the Lost Adams Diggings... a few of the rock carvings we found that we never made sense of; the burned cabin ruin/arrastra/longtom was 150 yards downstream from where the boulder is located. At the on-the-ground depression lower center on the next channel to the south (on the rock) we found a marker... a sort of buried cairn, but nothing to allow us to make sense of why it was there or what it was intended to convey.

At the depression just to the right of center on the upper part of the boulder we found a number of other carvings on rocks including what appeared to be a bird or an angel and a large X on the face of a boulder, lots of quartz, but still no help. There's a depression on the right end of the boulder you can't easily see in the pic, and there we found the one we called the Horus Eye, which we also never figured out, but thought it to be fairly spectacular.

The depression downstream/left on the boulder is the location of a large Anasazi/Mogollon ruin. You figure it out.

The depression at the center of the boulder represents the location of the burned cabin/arrastra/sluicebox.

Best to you,
Jack

 

[Highmountain]

This page is really slow loading now. I'm wondering if my maprock pic is doing it, and whether I need to take it off.

 

[treasureldy]

more pics of site...

Thank you guys for the insight!!!......I'm posting more pics.....let me know what you think.

 

[Ocean7]

looks like Pictographs to me....

http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/4525/lbnm15.html

http://www.rockartimages.com/pages/2/index.htm
Rock art appears in two forms; petroglyphs and pictographs. Petroglyphs are made by chipping away the darker outside layer ( patina ) of rock with a stone, exposing the lighter natural color beneath. Pictographs, on the other hand, are painted on the rock face using mineral and plant pigments. The true meaning or intent of the artists in some rock art is not known, although some sites suggest hunting scenes, religious ceremonies, warfare and combat, fertility, birth, counting or calendars.

The majority of prehistoric rock art in the area now known as the Colorado Plateau and northern Utah was the work of three ancient Native American Indian cultures. By far, the oldest was the Archaic culture, hunter and gathers that existed as long ago as 9000 BC and extended to around 1 AD.