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DSC09751.webpDSC09750.webpDSC09752.webpDSC09754.webpDSC09502.webpthis one is my BEST point and YES IT'S REAL! Made of red wine colored obsidian which is fairly rare(I think) in itself. It measures 8 3/16" long by 1 5/16" at the base. I found 15 other smaller points at the same site( 6 were a colorful agate material the rest were black obsidian) as well as over 3000+ shell and bone beads. I don't show it much cause most don't believe its authentic or question my collecting methods. I have never tried to get a COA on it cause I will probably never sell it. It is definitely the "banner find of my life" and am very proud of it. Merry Christmas to all you head hunters and thanks for all the great info and comments on my collection so far!!!
 
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mainejman said:
Everybody has a right to an opinion.But before you kill something.You should be sure of the target.Your first shot missed.I guess its not a grey ghost.Now we find out its probably real just not as old as anticipated.Then theres the salted site theory.Most everybody has heard of it.Its just not a kill shot.Damn running out of shells.My point is if your gonna have all negative assumptions that dont hit the target.You better have plenty of shells or better yet dont shoot.
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Hey Maine I never laid out a kill shot I simply stated what I saw and the fact of the matter is I am not the only one who saw it! I call it as I see it and if you don't like that then you have every opportunity to use your profound wisdom and educate us why you think it is real and why you think it is fake. I never stated it was fake yet there is no way that was made several hundred years ago which was said. IF it is glass then it was made recently. A point served several purposes and this point. If outlaw did find it good for him.....its a nice find....yet there are indicating factors that do not add up. Like the one post stating that this was posted before. I guess that and the fact the story never added up from go. It was asked where found. Only after several attempts was it finally put out there a regional location. Well if this is Obsidian then it may be fire obsidian. If this is real then why did someone recognize this point and state about it being put up again for review? You seem to be the perfect defense attorney for this poster so start piping up and state why you think it is real!! If you have nothing more to contribute other then, " Oh he Found it so it HAS TO BE REAL!! Then attack a replier for there opinion when everyone is entitled to one shows your character. This again is a open forum! If someone posts a point the point will tell the story, not the poster. You have shown great ignorance to this hobby by advocating for the posting of anything without anyone to challenge the poster. Clearly you are unaware of how many fakes people try and get over around here. So When it comes to shells boy i have many and when it comes to fakes people will always notice. Still I have yet to kill this piece as you stated I Did from go! REALLY?? How does that statement of me asking where it was found justify a kill shot. How does me saying it has the earmarks of a grey make it a killshot. The killshot came in when Neanderthal stated it! I have given the poster the benefit of the doubt and told him where to take it to prove the naysayers wrong. Yet it will never end up there. Pretty funny how people when they are tight with one another work. Keep up the positive information flow Mainejman you are so full of information that I look forward to your next response...........
 
First of all which is it?Is it ancient or is it just not authentic?From what i read he says it was an artifact just not ancient.I tell you i dont know outlaw or neanderthal from adam.Dont know much about arizona artifacts cant say ive ever even been to arizona.But i do know that you dont open up a conversation with listen.And you need to learn some people skills.
 
wow.
so who are these people from east of the rio grande that claim a point found 35 miles from where i sit is a reproduction?
how many hours in the high deserts do they have? how many prehistoric site have they examined in the southwest?

while i may have doubts on some things, this artifact is, imo, an honest find, and i have posted links to similar items found in the same area.
any other opinion should have something besides a blatant declaration of forgery...who has the skills. are they in arizona? are they in the southwest?
how did they know to PLANT this item in the found location?
desolate country up there...difficult to find and even more difficult to dig without leaving modern traces.
 
You know I thought I put it out there as nicely as possible. I don't know if it is real or not. Which is why I asked those questions to the poster. Neanderthal feels it is not made by Aboriginal man. Does his opinion make it a iron-clad determination of it....NO it does not. Nor does my opinion. I feel when in doubt send it out to a professional who deals with this type of stuff which Stermer is. Who is to say how it was found. I took the posters word for it yet the problem is the stone just does not ad up. Is it glass or is it Obsidian?Well It could be one or the other. Right now it is in the hands of the poster who does not know much about what he has found other then it being a exceptional find. People skills? How does one go about telling a collector that what he has just does not look right. You tell them by being honest. You don't kill it. I was honest with what I saw. I never killed this piece and still think it may have potential. I just thought it looked like a grey in design. Nothing more.
 
pippinwhitepaws said:
wow.
so who are these people from east of the rio grande that claim a point found 35 miles from where i sit is a reproduction?
how many hours in the high deserts do they have? how many prehistoric site have they examined in the southwest?

while i may have doubts on some things, this artifact is, imo, an honest find, and i have posted links to similar items found in the same area.
any other opinion should have something besides a blatant declaration of forgery...who has the skills. are they in arizona? are they in the southwest?
how did they know to PLANT this item in the found location?
desolate country up there...difficult to find and even more difficult to dig without leaving modern traces.
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Let's see them then.....maybe with a couple more pictures we might be able to see some of the same material as the posters. This would only aid in his quest to learn more about it.
 
well, if you had opened the link..you would have seen points of the same material and design...

in fact, i can not load the individual photo in question, but do realize that similar points in design and material have been recovered less than a mile from where i sit.

tuzigoot national monument. the point is "cohonina" in nature. or sinauga if one is outside the river basin.
 
pippinwhitepaws said:
well, if you had opened the link..you would have seen points of the same material and design...

in fact, i can not load the individual photo in question, but do realize that similar points in design and material have been recovered less than a mile from where i sit.

tuzigoot national monument. the point is "cohonina" in nature. or sinauga if one is outside the river basin.
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I did in fact open that link and not one of those points types even resemble the posters. Same material well I only saw a few that possibly could have been. I want you to be honest...Have you ever seen one come out of your country that big and if so did it look like this. If you have and it did then post a pic of it. I know many who would love to see these Giant points. Most of the point types that come out of your region are small...so small most are within 1/2 inch to 4" when you travel farther northwest into Oregon and Washington you start to see the sizes that would rival this piece.
 
I notice that outlaw had posted some smaller points.That look like the same material as the one in question.They appear to have the same swirl type of flaking.Are these questionable too?
 
Skeptics are much needed here on Tnet, if anyone is waiting and believing until proven otherwise, well, it will never happen...pretty much impossible. Thats why I tend not to buy into everything. I wish this site had a good, knowledgeable statistician.
I would love for your point to be real Outlaw. I do hope it is.
newnan man said:
I hope its real. There is a lot of stuff out there that is not. I think seeing pics of the other 15 points and the 3,000 beads found at the same site would be nice as well. I have no dog in the fight and will take someones word until proven otherwise.
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I have only one opinion regarding this matter...why save the best one for last then present us with an exit strategy?
 
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