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DSC09751.webpDSC09750.webpDSC09752.webpDSC09754.webpDSC09502.webpthis one is my BEST point and YES IT'S REAL! Made of red wine colored obsidian which is fairly rare(I think) in itself. It measures 8 3/16" long by 1 5/16" at the base. I found 15 other smaller points at the same site( 6 were a colorful agate material the rest were black obsidian) as well as over 3000+ shell and bone beads. I don't show it much cause most don't believe its authentic or question my collecting methods. I have never tried to get a COA on it cause I will probably never sell it. It is definitely the "banner find of my life" and am very proud of it. Merry Christmas to all you head hunters and thanks for all the great info and comments on my collection so far!!!
 
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Well from what I found out it is 300-500 yrs old and called a side notch. The material is still a mystery. I have to ask what other sites you have posted this on?
 
I have never posted it on the net Rock.
rock said:
Well from what I found out it is 300-500 yrs old and called a side notch. The material is still a mystery. I have to ask what other sites you have posted this on?
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Hey mainejman, this was dug up out of my bracken site about three years ago. The notches dont have much patina on them for whatever reason. I know that it looks peculiar but i also pull out prolly 80 to 100 other pieces. it was around three feet below the surface. I took it to the a few shows and dixon mounds. In no way do i believe that some one buried it out in the woods and sprinkled other artifacts all around it
Also, anyone who looked at it under a scope sang a different tune. And many have called it an anomaly
 
adamlray said:
Hey mainejman, this was dug up out of my bracken site about three years ago. The notches dont have much patina on them for whatever reason. I know that it looks peculiar but i also pull out prolly 80 to 100 other pieces. it was around three feet below the surface. I took it to the a few shows and dixon mounds. In no way do i believe that some one buried it out in the woods and sprinkled other artifacts all around it
Also, anyone who looked at it under a scope sang a different tune. And many have called it an anomaly
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mainejman said:
I value everyones opinion.But i think if youre gonna voice an opinion you have the responsibility to base it on some reasonable facts.Not just negative assumptions.As far as getting something authenticated to me that is for people who buy and sell.Thats a whole different world....
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Exactly! Some people just don't know how to go about being skeptical and perhaps without realizing it word things in a way that causes ill feelings. The problem, as I see it, is that some people, if they see something that is a repro, think the problem MUST lie with the presenter. These people simply assume the worse, not just of the artifact, but of the person presenting it. Some will say do not answer with "but I found it, I dug it!" To which I say bull! Of course people can say "but I found it" in reply to a skeptic. If it's the truth, it's the first reply I expect. But then you will hear "that does not make it authentic!" Well, maybe, but you are entitled to answer as you see fit, nobody owes any self-described expert any explanation at all. Ever! Some people mean well, they state they are protecting the hobby, but when they come across with an accusation tone and telling people "don't just tell me you found it, not good enough!", people like that can go pound salt, who needs it? It's an artifact forum, not the "Artifact Board of Inquisition". There's an undertone of anger in their remarks because they are upset at seeing a "fake" or what they believe is a "fake", so, perhaps without realizing it, they write long winded defences of their accusational style, when in fact, nobody owes accusational inquisitors anything at all.
 
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I just dont like to hear people getting turned off to a site because of the way a certain few handle their postings.This i have learned first hand.If i went by half the bs that was posted about my point id had a two hundred year old point which was the wrong color and due to its condition probably fake.You take what you get most of the time good knowledgeable facts.Other times not so good.Its up to you to sort out what you can use ......
 
A fellow Hoosier I have known for 15 years or so from forums and arrowhead shows was the victim of someone salting his fields. There was some back story jealousy, permission to hunt on land, etc. and a couple of jokers planted some fake slake for him to find. He found it, came on Arrowpack at the time, and had a similar result to this. (An honest hunter presented his finds, some people defended him to a fault, some pointed out the issues with the pieces, and some crucified him to the point that he stepped away from the forums for a while.)

I also know someone who jokingly wanted to do that to a friend, he planted a bunch of really bad fake items (platform pipe, monolithic axe, 8 inch clovis, thunderbird, etc.) sticking out of the dirt on his field (private property.) They went out for a hunt, and found fresh prints and no fakes. Some trespasser got the find of a lifetime.

I've found a lot of obsidian in Mexico and handled a lot of collections with obsidian from the Western US. Surface found obsidian does show a lot more patina, but old obsidian shows some patina. It's usually an onion skin like patina. Obsidian is also very soft, and is easily scratched. Under some light magnification, you should see some evidence of wear & patina. (It might be easily faked, but it should be there whether it is old or applied.)

About this point, I agree with Neanderthal.
 
Im pretty serious about my hobby.Its my own personal escape.I have one other buddy i share this with.He is a pretty good knapper.Weve already had the talk......DONT YOU DARE.....I get pretty sparked up when i find something and usually emit a sound that can be heard through out the land.Not a good joke like someone telling you your dog died.
 
I dont know what the prob is. Is says its attached but doesnt show up
 
pg 1 "I have never tried to get a COA on it cause I will probably never sell it."
pg 3 "I did try to have it authenticated by a firm in Sedona. "

Aww shucks! I am guessing you must have forgotten about that time you tried to have it authenticated when you first posted it?
 
well said Charl. all I did was post it for everyone to see I never once asked for advice and then all of a sudden wow! Got people from other places weighing in to substantiate others opinions. I guess guilty until proven innocent huh. Heck I don't know what to believe now.
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Exactly! Some people just don't know how to go about being skeptical and perhaps without realizing it word things in a way that causes ill feelings. The problem, as I see it, is that some people, if they see something that is a repro, think the problem MUST lie with the presenter. These people simply assume the worse, not just of the artifact, but of the person presenting it. Some will say do not answer with "but I found it, I dug it!" To which I say bull! Of course people can say "but I found it" in reply to a skeptic. If it's the truth, it's the first reply I expect. But then you will hear "that does not make it authentic!" Well, maybe, but you are entitled to answer as you see fit, nobody owes any self-described expert any explanation at all. Ever! Some people mean well, they state they are protecting the hobby, but when they come across with an accusation tone and telling people "don't just tell me you found it, not good enough!", people like that can go pound salt, who needs it? It's an artifact forum, not the "Artifact Board of Inquisition". There's an undertone of anger in their remarks because they are upset at seeing a "fake" or what they believe is a "fake", so, perhaps without realizing it, they write long winded defences of their accusational style, when in fact, nobody owes accusational inquisitors anything at all.
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it was an us archaeology society office not a place to pay for a COA
bede2691 said:
pg 1 "I have never tried to get a COA on it cause I will probably never sell it."
pg 3 "I did try to have it authenticated by a firm in Sedona. "

Aww shucks! I am guessing you must have forgotten about that time you tried to have it authenticated when you first posted it?
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