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DSC09751.webpDSC09750.webpDSC09752.webpDSC09754.webpDSC09502.webpthis one is my BEST point and YES IT'S REAL! Made of red wine colored obsidian which is fairly rare(I think) in itself. It measures 8 3/16" long by 1 5/16" at the base. I found 15 other smaller points at the same site( 6 were a colorful agate material the rest were black obsidian) as well as over 3000+ shell and bone beads. I don't show it much cause most don't believe its authentic or question my collecting methods. I have never tried to get a COA on it cause I will probably never sell it. It is definitely the "banner find of my life" and am very proud of it. Merry Christmas to all you head hunters and thanks for all the great info and comments on my collection so far!!!
 
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Well let the pissing match begin.Youre handling it better than i would.Im giving you the benifit of the doubt because thats what i do.Would hate to think anybody would put them selves through this process just to post a let me see (hell i dont if its fake or not artifact)Where are we on this? so far i got 3-5 hundred years old with fake undertones.Am i missing anything here?
 
Outlaw thanks for the clarification. I do like seeing your finds and appreciate all who take the time and trouble to post their stuff.
 
I have a question and if it a stupid one I apologize since this piece was found around 3 ft deep in the SW area would it b possible if in the desert regions for a piece to have little or no patina at all ???
 
painter...YES, if the object was found neatly placed in a storage pit...
patina for a surface find in the southwest leaves residue that is extremely difficult to remove.
especially on a point of this caliber.

i'd suggest that this item is far older than noted in this thread...and as far as Sedona...not the place to authenticate an artifact...30 miles north...there are a number of experts.

http://www.crowcanyon.org/EducationProducts/peoples_mesa_verde/basketmaker_III_housing.asp
 

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Thanks for your time to answer my question ;)))) maybe this will help in the factors of the piece .
 
Well i dont know jack about desert soils.But i would guess to say anything is possible.I do know that i have a point from the ground.A ground that supposedly eats up bone in a hundred years.This point shows no patina and has been in the ground for thousands of years.There are exceptions.....Ive seen one.
 
Well i dont know jack about desert soils.But i would guess to say anything is possible.I do know that i have a point from the ground.A ground that supposedly eats up bone in a hundred years.This point shows no patina and has been in the ground for thousands of years.There are exceptions.....Ive seen one.
Thank u as well ;)
 
First off if the man said he found it then he found it where he said he did. So unless someone as proof that it is a fake then no one can pass judgment on a artifact that there is only a photo of. There is a lot of folks on here that know a lot about artifacts, but no one knows it all, not even the guys that do it for a living, even they can be wrong. Patina is something that is different in every part of this country, it does not matter if you live in that state because just over the county line the soil may have a different make up and the patina is going to be different, where the artifact was, how it was placed in the ground, it could have been placed in a hide, who knows. Now the chipping on that point looks different than what people see on others but to pressure flake an Obsidian point that long the maker more than likely found it would break if he tried to flake it like most points. This is a nice point but my lord it's not like it is 16in long, and he saying it came from a temple mound or the man has put a price tag on it to sell it. As for the statement that someone planted the point, where it was found it does not sound likely. I myself got hit with seeded artifacts and others on here have stated that they did too, but there was someone trying to gain an agenda of tricking someone to gain a advantage from those plants. If someone did plant the point lets just say 50 yrs ago because of the large rock formation, a local native made it and placed it there for a gift to the Earth, it's still an artifact and the man found it. There was a comment made about all fakers should break what they make ,95% of people that reproduce stone artifacts do not do it to sell as a fake(it's their hobby, just like us who walk to find ours) , people buy their item's with the intent to sale it as the real deal, those are the fakers. I collect artifacts and I make reproduction items and I can flint knapp does that make me a bad person for having those hobbies. The reproduction of artifacts has given me better insight to real artifacts, you understand what was behind the way something was made or used, you can spot just the tip or ear of a point sticking out of the dirt, you know what is a flake or a tool for sure and you can tell from the flake pattern if it was done with bone or metal. Some may not believe this but I can most of the time tell if the person that made a point was left handed or right handed, but not from a photo. Someone stated that the stone was glass not Obsidian, Obsidian comes in every color of the rainbow, I myself have a knife blade that I picked up out of a dry creek bed that is purple/reddish Obsidian from Az. I may be wrong but I think this site was made for people to learn, enjoy and see artifacts from all over. I have looked at a lot of site's, Tnet is by far the best site going, so well it is the only site that I have ever joined, but this kind of posting makes us no different that any other website and I hate to see us lose people due to speculation on a object that no one knows for sure but the man that found it. Now there are some post that I have seen on here that it was no doubt it was a modern reproduction, a point from India, a Mexico knock out, or a natural rock but this point is not one of those, so if anyone can say that this point is a fake by a photo then they are faking themselves and I'm not trying to make anyone mad or pointing my finger at anyone. JMO when I see a post that I don't think is real, I look at it and move on, life is to short to sweat the small stuff. Outlaw you hang in here and keep posting I like your artifacts. To all Tnet members just remember and this goes to all of us (What comes around goes around), how are you going to handle it when you post the find of your life and people doubt it?
 
Wow... and all I wanted to say is that thing looks awesome.
Don't let any of this stuff bother you outlaw maybe I'll just start an argument and it'll be my turn for a while... Hope you had a great Christmas
 
The best comment followed by the funniest .... Stick around outlaw ho ho ho
 
The most important thing to learn here is that although there are alot of different opinions.Most agree that everyone deserves to be respected and most of the time given the benefit of the doubt.Just like life.It did my heart good to see the majority follow a few basic rules.The main one being treat others......
 
hey this point is an artifact,matt rowe said it was an artifact just not thousands of years old,STILL AN ARTIFACT..thats all that i got
 
That is an incredible find. I was blown away when I saw it. I can not even imagine how you felt when you found it. Thanks for sharing.
 
Im going to throw this out, maybe its a gem stone and not glass? Is it heavy for its size or lite?
 
When I replied to you outlaw I gave you the benefit that it was possible. I laid it out to you what I saw. I use to own a grey and it has some of the appearance of that piece. So I stated that. I never killed this piece, yet I had my suspicions over it. I told you where to go for authentication of it. It would have a substantial value if authentic. Problem is certain factors give a point away as Neanderthal pointed out. Salted sites are known whether it be out in the middle of nowhere to a hidden cave. They have been discovered. You asked who would have the skill to pull of a piece like that. Well there are several well known knappers out there. Some honest and some dubious..it is those knappers who make it a endeavor to pull the fast one over on the collector. No one can give you a true call on it without seeing it but certain tell-tale signs give it away.
 
Everybody has a right to an opinion.But before you kill something.You should be sure of the target.Your first shot missed.I guess its not a grey ghost.Now we find out its probably real just not as old as anticipated.Then theres the salted site theory.Most everybody has heard of it.Its just not a kill shot.Damn running out of shells.My point is if your gonna have all negative assumptions that dont hit the target.You better have plenty of shells or better yet dont shoot.
 
adamlray im still waiting to see these pics.Come on dont be afraid step up to the plate.........
 

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